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Trump - Putin Meeting July 2018
« on: Jul 03, 2018, 08:37:36 am »
 

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Gotta keep an eye on this. I'll start with this article Zerohedge linked to; idk anything about the writer. But this is great. European leaders are shaking in their boots, "For the love of God, anything but peace!"  ;D

The Trump-Putin Peace, Trade and Friendship Talks

Brian CLOUGHLEY | 02.07.2018

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2018/07/02/trump-putin-peace-trade-and-friendship-talks.html

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UK newspapers reacted predictably to the news, with the right wing Daily Mail stating “Fears are mounting that Donald Trump wants a ‘peace deal’ with Vladimir Putin that could fatally undermine NATO. Ministers are becoming increasingly alarmed that the US president could offer the Russian president deep concessions such as withdrawing forces from Europe.”

The Times of London recorded that “One [UK government] minister told the Times: ‘What we're nervous of is some kind of Putin-Trump 'peace deal' suddenly being announced. We could see Trump and Putin saying, Why do we have all this military hardware in Europe? and agreeing to jointly remove that. 'It's hard to be against peace, but would it be real peace?’”



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Re: Trump - Putin Meeting July 2018
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At one level its just about arms sales.



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At one level its just about arms sales.



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I do not understand. Who selling arms to who ?



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At one level its just about arms sales.



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Trump's not a deep state president... if it was about arms sales, the NWO eternal war deep state would be all for it, being the bipartisan pro military industrial complex crowd they are.

Now that Trump is about to "shoo the 9-11 chickens into roost" he's fairly safe from Mueller's witch-hunt to meet with Putin on matters of peace, liberty, sovereignty, and trade.

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Re: Trump - Putin Meeting July 2018
« Reply #4 on: Jul 03, 2018, 02:55:40 pm »
 

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Trump's not a deep state president... if it was about arms sales, the NWO eternal war deep state would be all for it, being the bipartisan pro military industrial complex crowd they are.

Now that Trump is about to "shoo the 9-11 chickens into roost" he's fairly safe from Mueller's witch-hunt to meet with Putin on matters of liberty, peace, and sovereignty.

From the Infowars "article" you linked to...

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In short, Mueller’s role in covering up Saudi Arabia’s ties to 9/11 is just the tip of the iceberg; Trump is set to expose even more collusion by the deep state, according to officials who spoke to Infowars.

Don't believe a word that comes through Jones. If Trump knows this information and is holding on to it, why is he still using our troops to support child raping Muslims growing opium for 'deep state' funding in Afghanistan? Tell me you told me so if it happens, that's fine. I'll still be happy to see Trump pull that card. I just don't see how these two line up when we know exactly what's been going on in Afghanistan.

Either way, this is going to be a big deal and maybe one of the most important meetings in history if they can start brokering some sort of easing of tensions. One of the biggest reasons I voted for Trump was because of how much he talked up working with Putin better. Who's going to stop either one of us if we aren't fighting each other (US v. Russia)? If they make something good out of this, and I don't start seeing Trump going through with things like Infowars is rumor-mongering about, there will be no more excuse to keep lying to yourself about this guy. So in a way, you're right, once this is put behind him, he has all the opportunity he needs to do everything he should to do as a non 'deep state' president. Starting with pulling out of Afghanistan. It'd be pretty scandalous if he were to release that information before doing so.

We shall see. Not holding my breath on the 9/11 thing though. That dough from the opium fields is needed for black funded projects. Your *ehm* 'deep state.'



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Who’s Afraid of the Trump/Putin Summit?

Written by Ron Paul, Monday July 2, 2018

https://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/july/02/who-s-afraid-of-the-trumpputin-summit/

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President Trump’s National Security Advisor John Bolton was in Moscow last week organizing what promises to be an historic summit meeting between his boss and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Bolton, who has for years demanded that the US inflict “pain” on Russia and on Putin specifically, was tasked by Trump to change his tune. He was forced to shed some of his neoconservative skin and get involved in peacemaking. Trump surely deserves some credit for that!

As could be expected given the current political climate in the US, the neoconservatives have joined up with the anti-Trump forces on the Left -- and US client states overseas -- to vigorously oppose any movement toward peace with Russia. The mainstream media is, as also to be expected, amplifying every objection to any step away from a confrontation with Russia.

Bolton had hardly left Moscow when the media began its attacks. US allies are “nervous” over the planned summit, reported Reuters. They did not quote any US ally claiming to be nervous, but they did speculate that both the UK and Ukraine would not be happy were the US and Russia to improve relations. But why is that? The current Ukrainian government is only in power because the Obama Administration launched a coup against its democratically-elected president to put US puppets in charge. They’re right to be nervous. And the British government is also right to be worried. They swore that Russia was behind the “poisoning” of the Skripals without providing any evidence to back up their claims. Hundreds of Russian diplomats were expelled from Western countries on their word alone. And over the past couple of months, each of their claims has fallen short.

At the extreme of the reaction to Bolton’s Russia trip was the US-funded think tank, the Atlantic Council, which is stuck in a 1950s time warp. Its resident Russia “expert,” Anders Åslund, Tweeted that long-time Russia hawk Bolton had been “captured by the Kremlin” and must now be considered a Russian agent for having helped set up a meeting between Trump and Putin. Do they really prefer nuclear war?

The “experts” are usually wrong when it comes to peacemaking. They rely on having “official enemies” for their very livelihood. In 1985, national security “expert” Zbigniew Brzezinski attacked the idea of a summit between President Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. It was “demeaning” and “tactically unwise,” he said as reported at the time by the Washington Times. Such a meeting would only “elevate” Gorbachev and make him “first among equals,” he said. Thankfully, Reagan did engage Gorbachev in several summits and the rest is history. Brzezinski was wrong and peacemakers were right.

President Trump should understand that any move toward better relations with Russia has been already pre-approved by the American people. His position on Russia was well known. He campaigned very clearly on the idea that the US should end the hostility toward Russia that characterized the Obama Administration and find a way to work together. Voters knew his position and they chose him over Hillary Clinton, who was also very clear on Russia: more confrontation and more aggression.

President Trump would be wise to ignore the neocon talking heads and think tank “experts” paid by defense contractors. He should ignore the “never Trumpers” who have yet to make a coherent policy argument opposing the president. The extent of their opposition to Trump seems to be “he’s mean and rude.” Let us hope that a Trump/Putin meeting begins a move toward real reconciliation and away from the threat of nuclear war.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 04, 2018, 08:58:32 am »
 

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https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Putin-to-meet-Netanyahu-five-days-before-Trump-561488
Putin to meet Netanyahu five days before Trump
PM calls on European leaders to stop appeasing Iran, especially after Iranian-backed bombing plot in Paris.
By Herb Keinon
July 4, 2018

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will travel to Moscow next week to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin
, just five days before Putin is scheduled to meet in Helsinki with US President Donald Trump.

The issues that will dominate Netanyahu’s talks with Putin – Iran and Syria – are also expected to be high on the list of topics to be discussed when the Russian and US leaders hold their first summit.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-israel-putin-netanyahu/putin-plans-to-meet-israels-netanyahu-emir-of-qatar-during-world-cup-kremlin-idUSKBN1JU13Q
Putin plans to meet Israel's Netanyahu, Emir of Qatar during World Cup: Kremlin

MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin plans to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu next week and will also meet the Emir of Qatar if he travels to Moscow to see a World Cup match, the Kremlin said on Wednesday.
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Russia is currently hosting the soccer World Cup, which ends on July 15.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 04, 2018, 09:10:50 am »
 

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https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Putin-to-meet-Netanyahu-five-days-before-Trump-561488
Putin to meet Netanyahu five days before Trump
PM calls on European leaders to stop appeasing Iran, especially after Iranian-backed bombing plot in Paris.
By Herb Keinon
July 4, 2018

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will travel to Moscow next week to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin
, just five days before Putin is scheduled to meet in Helsinki with US President Donald Trump.

The issues that will dominate Netanyahu’s talks with Putin – Iran and Syria – are also expected to be high on the list of topics to be discussed when the Russian and US leaders hold their first summit.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-israel-putin-netanyahu/putin-plans-to-meet-israels-netanyahu-emir-of-qatar-during-world-cup-kremlin-idUSKBN1JU13Q
Putin plans to meet Israel's Netanyahu, Emir of Qatar during World Cup: Kremlin

MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin plans to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu next week and will also meet the Emir of Qatar if he travels to Moscow to see a World Cup match, the Kremlin said on Wednesday.
...
Russia is currently hosting the soccer World Cup, which ends on July 15.
,..



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Maybe I am wrong, but US President Trump and his supporters expect good agreement with Russian President Putin.
American patriots and anti-globalist are sure that Russia is not threat for USA and Europe.



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« Reply #8 on: Jul 04, 2018, 09:24:37 am »
 

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Maybe I am wrong, but US President Trump and his supporters expect good agreement with Russian President Putin.
American patriots and anti-globalist are sure that Russia is not threat for USA and Europe.



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Any sane person wants good things to happen. As far as whether it will turn out good or not is still up in the air to me. Especially with Netanyahu Zionizing his Zionism with Putin at least two times since he did with Trump last. Of course it is for show though, these guys can pick up a phone anytime.

America first. The only thing we have to do to keep out Russian Perestroika deceptions is sticking to our constitution. Europe... well... that's y'alls problem. I just want the US out of everybody else's backyard.



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Any sane person wants good things to happen. As far as whether it will turn out good or not is still up in the air to me. Especially with Netanyahu Zionizing his Zionism with Putin at least two times since he did with Trump last. Of course it is for show though, these guys can pick up a phone anytime.

America first. The only thing we have to do to keep out Russian Perestroika deceptions is sticking to our constitution. Europe... well... that's y'alls problem. I just want the US out of everybody else's backyard.



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I am glad to read your post. I wish to US President Trump live Serbian "backyard" ( US Military Camp Bondsteel  ) on Kosovo.
I heard that John Bolton said that US recognize of self-claimed independence of Kosovo is "mistake".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel



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At one level its just about arms sales.



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Told ya . . .


'What good is NATO?' tweets a furious Trump, as he resumes attack on Russia-Germany pipeline and demands nations meet burden-sharing commitment 'immediately'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5943825/What-good-NATO-tweets-furious-Trump-resumes-attack-Russia-Germany-pipeline.html



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Re: Trump - MIC - Arms Dealer - Putin Meeting July 2018
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Told Ya . . . .

'Not acceptable!' Trump says that all NATO nations must meet their defense spending commitment of 2 percent and pressures them AGAIN to double it as he heads into his second day of meetings in Brussels
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5945583/Not-acceptable-Trump-puts-pressure-NATO-nations-double-defense-spending.html



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NATO summit day 1: Divided alliance unites against Russia, as US demands immediate contributions






'The first day of the NATO summit has shown that, despite a row within its ranks that needs urgent, diplomatic pacification, the 'defensive' alliance is still united and ready to adopt another set of measures aimed against Moscow.

From the outset, the NATO summit has demonstrated that the contradictions between once-close allies run deep. While NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg desperately sought to keep up appearances, US President Donald Trump, the leader of a country that has always been the bloc's bulwark, effectively launched an attack against his own allies in an attempt to make them contribute more to the alliance.

'Unfair' spending & 'delinquent' allies

Trump, quite predictably, used the opportunity to renew his push for increased spending by other NATO members and further pressured the US allies amid an ongoing row over trade. He also did not mince any words as he lashed out at his European partners.

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Trump describes Putin as ‘competitor’ ahead of Helsinki summit



Asked on Tuesday if the Russian president was a “friend or foe,” Trump remarked: “I really can’t say right now. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a competitor.” Trump also said that it was in Washington’s interest to foster better relations with Moscow and Beijing.

The “competitor” line seems to be a Republican talking point, as the same term was employed by a Republican congressional delegation that visited Moscow last week. Senator Richard Shelby, who led the delegation, told journalists after meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov that the US should view Russia as a “competitor, and not an adversary.”'


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So uh 3 days before this, Trump's Deputy AG brings out an indictment against Russian military personnel? Wth is going on? Morning



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So uh 3 days before this, Trump's Deputy AG brings out an indictment against Russian military personnel? Wth is going on? Morning



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Nothing is going to happen.

That will be a big disapointment, which will either get ignored - or its more 4Dchess explanations from the Fat Tory at Infowarts.cia in between Snake Oil Sales.



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« Reply #17 on: Jul 16, 2018, 11:28:44 am »
 

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Probably will have to wait a while to discover what, if anything happened at the summit.

'Our relationship had never been worse... but that changed four hours ago': Trump hails 'open and deeply productive' talks with Putin (and he even gave his new BFF a wink)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5958541/Putin-arrives-Finnish-Presidential-Palace-ahead-talks-President-Trump-later-today.html



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Probably will have to wait a while to discover what, if anything happened at the summit.

'Our relationship had never been worse... but that changed four hours ago': Trump hails 'open and deeply productive' talks with Putin (and he even gave his new BFF a wink)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5958541/Putin-arrives-Finnish-Presidential-Palace-ahead-talks-President-Trump-later-today.html

Yea, from what I saw, any military changes will have to be seen. I thought it was interesting Putin mentioned some one making hundreds of millions tax free in Russia then donating it to Clinton's campaign. That wasn't even highlighted on Fox News yet. Well, maybe there'll be more to see if I missed anything important in a couple hours. What's most important, we haven't seen too much of yet.



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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/16/trump-finds-putin-denial-of-election-meddling-powerful





'Donald Trump has been condemned as “treasonous” for siding with the Kremlin over his own government agencies after a stunning joint appearance with Vladimir Putin in which he seemingly accepted the Russian leader’s denial of election meddling.

At a joint press conference after one-on-one talks lasting more than two hours in the Finnish capital, the US president offered no criticism of Putin or the cyber-attacks that the US intelligence community says he coordinated to help Trump’s 2016 election campaign.

“They said they think it’s Russia; I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia,” Trump told reporters. “I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.” Spam_A Spam_B The comments set off a new firestorm in Washington and critics suggested it was a historically weak performance by a US president against a foreign adversary. It also fuelled the intrigue of why Trump’s refusal to speak ill of Putin remains one of the few constants of his White House tenure.

Asked directly if he took Putin’s word over his own law enforcement and intelligence agencies, Trump veered off in a rambling attempt to change the subject, raising the Democratic National Committee’s server and Hillary Clinton’s missing emails – a move seen by critics as a crude attempt to deflect and distract.

“Where are those servers?” Trump demanded. “Where are Hillary Clinton’s emails?”

And bridling at the suggestion that his election victory might be discredited, Trump added: “I beat Hillary Clinton easily ... We won that race. And it’s a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it ... We ran a brilliant campaign and that’s why I’m president.”

There was swift condemnation from some of Trump’s opponents in Washington. John Brennan, a former director of the CIA, tweeted: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin.”'



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The reactions to this meeting have been so over the top insane, it's hard to describe. I've even had Trump supporters coming to me saying he messed the whole thing up and they're mad. Wha? I criticize Trump all the time for things he says and does, but this was all around a good move. Maybe not executed 101% perfectly, but it's finally something I wanted him to do, work better with Russia. Then the MSM and both parties go crazy, in turn, even making blind Trump supporters think he screwed the US somehow. Everything is so upside down. Here's some good stuff I found through Ron Paul's site and others.

This is good, but Tucker, this ain't a democracy and you should've probably thrown Mossad in your list of spies there.











The Mueller Indictments and The Trump-Putin Summit: Triumph of the Deep State?

Written by Ron Paul

https://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/july/16/the-mueller-indictments-and-the-trump-putin-summit-triumph-of-the-deep-state/

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The term “deep state” has been so over-used in the past few years that it may seem meaningless. It has become standard practice to label one’s political adversaries as representing the “deep state” as a way of avoiding the defense of one’s positions. President Trump has often blamed the “deep state” for his political troubles. Trump supporters have created big conspiracies involving the “deep state” to explain why the president places neocons in key positions or fails to fulfill his campaign promises.

But the “deep state” is no vast and secret conspiracy theory. The deep state is real, it operates out in the open, and it is far from monolithic. The deep state is simply the permanent, unelected government that continues to expand its power regardless of how Americans vote.

There are factions of the deep state that are pleased with President Trump’s policies, and in fact we might say that President Trump represents some factions of the deep state.

Other factions of the deep state are determined to undermine any of President Trump’s actions they perceive as threatening. Any move toward peace with Russia is surely something they feel to be threatening. There are hundreds of billions of reasons – otherwise known as dollars – why the Beltway military-industrial complex is terrified of peace breaking out with Russia and will do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening.

That is why Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s indictment on Friday of 12 Russian military intelligence officers for allegedly interfering in the 2016 US presidential election should immediately raise some very serious questions.

First the obvious: after more than a year of investigations which have publicly revealed zero collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, why drop this bombshell of an allegation at the end of the news cycle on the last business day before the historic Trump/Putin meeting in Helsinki? The indictment could not have been announced a month ago or in two weeks? Is it not suspicious that now no one is talking about reducing tensions with Russia but is all of a sudden – thanks to Special Counsel Robert Mueller – talking about increasing tensions?

Unfortunately most Americans don't seem to understand that indictments are not evidence. In fact they are often evidence-free, as is this indictment.

Did the Russian government seek to interfere in the 2016 US presidential elections? It’s certainly possible, however we don’t know. None of the Justice Department’s assertions have been tested in a court of law, as is thankfully required by our legal system. It is not enough to make an allegation, as Mueller has done. You have to prove it.

That is why we should be very suspicious of these new indictments. Mueller knows he will never have to defend his assertions in a court of law so he can make any allegation he wants.

It is interesting that one of the Russian companies indicted by Mueller earlier this year surprised the world by actually entering a “not guilty” plea and demanding to see Mueller’s evidence. The Special Counsel proceeded to file several motions to delay the hand-over of his evidence. What does Mueller have to hide?

Meanwhile, why is no one talking about the estimated 100 elections the US government has meddled in since World War II? Maybe we need to get our own house in order?
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Ron Paul Pleased with how President Trump Handled Himself at Trump-Putin Meeting

Written by Adam Dick | Tuesday July 17, 2018

https://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2018/july/17/ron-paul-pleased-with-how-president-trump-handled-himself-at-trump-putin-meeting/

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International peace and trade advocate Ron Paul, in a new RT interview, praised how United States President Donald Trump handled himself at a meeting in Helsinki, Finland this week with Russia President Vladimir Putin. Says Paul, “I was sort of pleased with the way Trump handled himself.” In particular, Paul comments that Trump emphasized the benefit of “peaceful negotiations,” something Paul supports.

Denial & guilt: US liberals collectively lose their minds over #Treasonsummit

George Galloway ... Published time: 17 Jul, 2018 14:08

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The unhinged rhetoric of American liberals and neocons over Donald Trump’s meeting with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki is deeply repugnant and strangely disorienting.

This is especially the case for someone my age, born less than a decade after the United States Air Force vaporized hundreds of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a year after the US had killed almost a quarter of North Koreans, who watched as a teenager the US scald and incinerate millions of people in Indochina.

“The darkest hour in the history of the American presidency,” Garry Kasparov crystalizes the madness of US politics at this hour as the liberal classes collectively lose their minds. Darker therefore than Pearl Harbor, darker than 9/11?

Let it be imagined that Kasparov’s moves are but those of an embittered exile, let’s compare his words with those of Anderson Cooper of CNN who tweeted the words of Sen John McCain: “No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant.”

"No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant" - @AndersonCooper reads @SenJohnMcCain's powerful statement in the aftermath of the Trump-Putin summit https://t.co/R1KnUV9ne4pic.twitter.com/jMFmhnLIe3
— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) July 16, 2018

Or faded entertainment star liberal Bette Midler, who tweeted: “He (Trump) should be arrested as soon as Air Force One Disgorges him.” All written in capital letters in proverbial green ink.

HE SHOULD BE ARRESTED AS SOON AS AIR FORCE ONE DISGORGES HIM.
— Bette Midler (@BetteMidler) July 16, 2018

From the crazed neo-cons embedded in America's deep state, all the way to the pussy-hat liberals of the left, a hysterical peal of rage has emerged in the wake of Helsinki with the hashtag #TreasonSummit trending all day in the Twitter-sphere.

No historical memory seems to exist amongst the teenage scribblers of the warm meeting between US President General Dwight D. Eisenhower and Nikita Khrushchev in 1959 just three years after the Soviet intervention in Hungary, or Leonid Brezhnev and Richard Nixon four years after the events in Czechoslovakia (let alone Nixon and Chairman Mao Tse Tung).
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Protesters gather on the Senate Square at the end of the so-called Putin-Trump summit: Not Munich, Pearl Harbor or Yalta, just Helsinki

No-one seems to remember either Ronald Reagan's “Walk in the Woods” with Mikhail Gorbachev which averted a race towards nuclear conflict between the superpowers.

True, all three of these were Republican presidents but the difference is that liberals and progressives were cheering the counter-intuitive peace-making efforts of their right-wing presidents. Then.

So, what was the proximate cause of this collective shriek over Helsinki which emanated from the US, but had its echo in the halls of liberalism everywhere?

That Trump said that it is better that the US and Russia, the two predominant keepers of the world’s nuclear weapons, “should try to get along”? Or was it that he said that maintenance of such nuclear stockpiles “was a bad thing not a good thing”?

What sane human being could possibly disagree with these two statements, never mind a liberal, a progressive, a leftist?

Was it his evident disbelief in the righteousness of the CIA and the FBI? Again what kind of leftist elevates the deep-state agencies in America to sainthood? In decades gone by (as late as the George W Bush era, with his Patriot Act et al) it was an article of faith on the left side of politics that these very agencies were the enemies of democracy in America.

Indeed Michael Moore in his epic movie ‘Fahrenheit 911’ included a long section on the very same agencies and their domestic spying and internal subversion of peaceful opposition movements in America. Today’s Moore wants Trump to be arrested by the agencies he so recently excoriated. He tweeted – and I'm not making this up – “The Commander-in-Chief is a traitor” and stopped just a fraction short of calling for a military coup.

Trump is asked, Who are you going to believe—the Russians or your own officers? And he refused to choose! Do you support your troops or Putin — and he wouldn’t choose! So my first thought goes out to those who serve this country— I’m so sorry the Commander-in-Chief is a traitor.
— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) July 16, 2018

All of this stems from the deep sense of denial on the left side of US politics. Denial and guilt.

Their denial of a truth self-evident – that the Democrats fielded the only candidate in America who could possibly have lost to Donald Trump. Their guilt – that they colluded before or after the fact to rob the electorate of the chance to vote for the candidate most likely to have won them the presidency, Bernie Sanders.

That their sordid maneuvering in the dark was revealed via WikiLeaks is something they have never forgiven. Their rigging of the Democratic Primary process on behalf of Hillary Clinton is now scarcely denied but like Lady Macbeth's damned spot it will not out. And all the expensively donated perfumes of Arabia will not expunge it.

No-one can tell how this most bizarre of chess games in Washington will play out, least of how it will end. With the monkey of Mueller on his back, Trump can do nothing meaningful on the international stage, neither in pulling back from expensive and dangerous conflicts around the world or bringing the era of ‘nation-building’ and ‘regime-change’ to a close as he said he would during his election campaign.

The big question is "How will it play in Peoria"? In fly-over country, in the rust-belt, across the prairies in two years’ time (if Trump can get there) when he seeks re-election as he confirmed he will during his visit to Britain last weekend.

As the first, and for a time the only, man in public life who predicted Trump’s presidential victory, I am in no doubt at all. They shouldn't throw away their pussy-hats and their blow-up dolls because they will be marching against President Donald Trump for a long time to come.



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Strange that Jonestown Cult has been silent . . .

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I have not seen the media this riled up in the US since they are pushing for Iraq War.  Media pundits are laying the ground work for major conflict with Russia in the next couple of years.

US Media is Losing Its Mind Over Trump-Putin Press Conference

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/16/us-media-is-losing-its-mind-over-trump-putin-press-conference/



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No real surprise here.

Whenever the corrupt western intelligence agencies, of which the MSM is an arm of, are mentioned, we can expect this kind of reaction.

"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you." - Schumer



Page: “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”

Strzok: “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.


It might take a little while to fully clean house within the beltway. But things do seem to be moving along.



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