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The State Of California Is Never Going To Be The Same After This...
Mon, 08/24/2020 - 14:44
Authored by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

The state of California sure has been through a lot this year.  The COVID-19 pandemic hit the state particularly hard, fear of the virus sent the unemployment rate soaring, civil unrest has ripped permanent scars in most of the major cities, and earlier this month a historic heatwave caused rolling blackouts all over the state for the very first time since 2001.  So California certainly didn’t need anything else to deal with in 2020, because it has just been one thing after another all year long.  Unfortunately, it looks like the massive wildfires that have been roaring across the state over the last week are about to get even worse.  A “red flag” warning has been issued for Monday, and just about everyone is expecting this week to be a really, really bad week.

ut even if all of the fires ended right now, the devastation that we have already witnessed has been off the charts.  Hundreds of individual wildfires erupted after “12,000 lightning strikes” hit the state, and so far more than a million acres have been burned…

Firefighters have been battling more than 600 blazes – sparked by a staggering 12,000 lightning strikes – for a week. About 1.1 million acres of land has been torched. Most of the damage was caused by three clusters of fire “complexes” ripping through 1,175 square miles of forest and rural areas in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Those numbers are difficult for me to comprehend.

I would think that 12,000 lightning strikes must be some sort of a record for a single week, but I haven’t been able to confirm that.  In any event, that seems like an exceptionally high number.

Similarly, it is hard for me to imagine a million acres that have been completely destroyed by fire.  It is a monumental tragedy that will take a really long time to fully digest.

Of course the fires are still violently raging as I write this article.  In fact, two of the five largest fires in the history of the state are roaring through parts of northern California right now…

In nearly a week, firefighters have gotten no more than the 17% containment for the LNU Lightning Complex fire in wine country north of San Francisco. It’s been the most destructive blaze, accounting for five deaths and 845 destroyed homes and other buildings. It and a fire burning southeast of the Bay Area are among the five largest fires in state history, with both burning more than 500 square miles (1,295 square kilometers).

Overall, wildfires in the state have already caused more death and destruction in 2020 than they did in all of 2019.

Something that has been particularly sad to hear is that many redwood trees are being burned.  Some of those trees are over 1,000 years old, and we are being told that Big Basin State Park experienced “significant fire damage”…

  Biologists are watching closely as the blazes encroach on old-growth redwood trees in Northern and Central California, where some giants are more than 1,000 years old and are known by individual names. While some seem to have been spared, Big Basin State Park — the oldest state park in California — saw significant fire damage.

That is not just a loss for the state of California.

That is a loss for all of us.

Unfortunately, California’s rapidly growing social decay has also been on full display during this crisis.  Looters have been hitting the evacuation zones pretty hard, and at last eight people have already been arrested…


The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« on: August 23, 2013, 09:34:30 AM »

Just a comment that with all the forest fires across the country ( going on for years! ) and the relative shut down of the timber industry for years ( raising the prices of lumber and homes) . One has to wonder at the millions upon millions of dollars worth of timber going up in flames in uncontrollable fires in a multi-year  drought season. Huh Why ?

The country spends millions (billions?) of dollars fighting these fires Why?  So we don't have logging roads as access and fire breaks?

This post is just a first shot at this subject...

Reforms needed to protect forests, strengthen timber industry
August 06, 2013 8:15 am  •  Guest column by STEVE DAINES
A U.S. Forest Service official recently acknowledged that the abundance of litigation has played a “huge role” in blocking responsible timber sales in Montana and other Region 1 states, including projects supported by collaborative groups consisting of timber and conservation leaders.

“It has virtually shut things down on the National Forest,” U.S. Forest Service Deputy Chief Jim Hubbard stated during a recent Natural Resources Committee hearing.

The result: Montana used to be home to more than 30 lumber mills. Now we have just seven.

This has left numerous Montana counties without the necessary funds to provide for communities’ needs, like emergency services and pay for teachers. It has also left our forests more vulnerable to wildfire. Last summer, Montana experienced one of the worst fire seasons in our state’s history, and this year’s fires have already consumed thousands of acres of trees. This is unacceptable.

Over the past few months, I’ve met with managers of Montana’s lumber mills, conservation groups and local elected officials to have candid conversations about how we can revitalize our timber industry and keep our forests healthy.

Because as most Montanans recognize, the responsible and active management of our national forests is critical for the health of Montana’s economy, as well as the health of our forests themselves.

That’s why I’m proud to have helped introduce the Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act. This bill will help revitalize the timber industry throughout Montana and create thousands of good, long-term jobs. It also tackles beetle kill, protecting our environment for future generations and reducing the threat of catastrophic wildfires in Montana.

The Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act will cut the red tape that has held up responsible forest management and timber production. It includes comprehensive reforms to discourage and limit the flood of frivolous appeals and litigation. It also requires the Forest Service to increase timber harvests on non-wilderness lands, now that it will have much-needed latitude to do its work. This improved management will protect the health of our forests and watersheds, the safety of our communities and jobs in the timber industry.

[ Fire ruin the value of trees for lumber: ]


The real damage from a forest fire is rarely obvious. When a tree is exposed to forest fire, the lumber value continues to decline throughout the tree's life span.

Forest fires in Kentucky usually burn close to the ground so they usually don't kill trees. Come springtime, the trees leaf out giving the false impression that the fire did no harm. However forest fires cause trees to continue to lose hardwood lumber value throughout their life spans-- even if there are no obvious, visible signs of damage.

Forest fires create entrances for diseases and insects; staining the wood that could be used for lumber; and cause rot to begin and continue. This means you'll get lower prices when you attempt to sell timber that has been exposed to fire. Foresters and log buyers can detect a past forest fire in a timber stand, even if the area has been fire free for many years.

Keep fires out of your stands to maintain and increase the future value of your timber.

Two fire seasons exist for Kentucky, one in the early spring (mid February to early May) and the other late fall (October through December). Conditions of warm temperatures, low humidity and a leaves on the ground dried by the sun are very conducive to forest fires.

It's important to remember that any land owner found responsible for a fire getting out of hand is accountable for the entire cost of suppressing that fire.
The True Cost of Wildfire in the Western U.S.

Promoting science-based forest management that serves the values of society and ensures the health and sustainability of western forests.
Original publication date: April 2009 Conclusions and recommendations updated: April 2010


The millions of dollars spent to extinguish large wildfires are widely reported and used to underscore the severity of these events.

Extinguishing a large wildfire, however, accounts for only a fraction of the total costs associated with a wildfire event. Residents in the
wildland-urban interface (WUI) are generally seen as the most vulnerable to fire, but a fuller accounting of the costs of fire also
reveals impacts to all Americans and gives a better picture of the losses incurred when our forests burn.

A full accounting considers long-term and complex costs, including impacts to watersheds, ecosystems, infrastructure, businesses,
individuals, and the local and national economy. Specifically, these costs include property losses (insured and uninsured), postfire
impacts (such as flooding and erosion), air and water quality damages, healthcare costs, injuries and fatalities, lost revenues (to
residents evacuated by the fire, and to local businesses), infrastructure shutdowns (such as highways, airports, and railroads), and a host of
ecosystem service costs that may extend into the distant future.

Day-lighting the true costs of fire highlights opportunities to use active management to curb escalating costs. Unhealthy forests can increase
the risk of fire.1 Investing in active forest management is therefore valuable in the same way as investing in one’s own preventative
health care. Upfront costs can be imposing, and while the benefits may seem uncertain, good health results in cost savings that benefit
the individual, family, and society. This analogy helps to highlight the importance of fostering resilient ecosystems before fires occur, as a
tool for reducing the costs associated with suppression and recovery as well as extending the potential benefits of fire.

This report begins with an analysis of the many costs associated with wildfire. Several case studies illustrate a range of the full extent
of fire impacts, suggesting patterns that can be included in future budgeting and planning processes at all levels of government.

The true costs of wildfire are shown to be far greater than the costs usually reported to the public, anywhere from 2 to 30 times the more commonly reported suppression costs.

Finally, a series of recommendations help focus the way these costs might be better considered. As the number of acres burned each year continues to increase, there is a justifiable sense of urgency. With a new administration and an incoming Congress with many new faces, the Western Forestry Leadership Coalition sees a fresh opportunity to address this long-standing forest management challenge.

WILDLAND FIRES Forest Service and BLM Need Better Information and a Systematic Approach for Assessing the Risks of Environmental Effects
June 2004

Wildland fires can have dramatic effects on environmental resources and ecosystems, including production of large amounts of smoke, loss of trees,
and erosion of soil into streams and lakes.

However, fires can also benefit resources by recycling soil nutrients, renewing vegetation growth, and adding gravel to streams, which improves spawning habitat for fish. The 20 wildland fires that we surveyed burned over 158,000 acres of federal land and had complex, wide-ranging, and sometimes contradictory, effects on both individual resources, such as trees and streams, and ecosystems. For example, the short-term effects of the Missionary Ridge fire in Colorado that burned almost 50,000 acres of trees and other vegetation included increased debris and sediment that affected water quality in some areas. However, in other areas, officials said even dramatic changes to streams would not be detrimental in the long term.

The Forest Service and BLM gather specific information on the environmental effects of individual wildland fires, such as soil erosion. The
agencies do not, however, gather comprehensive data on the severity of wildland fire effects on broad landscapes and ecosystems—that is, large
areas that may involve one or more fires. The agencies recently developed a monitoring framework to gather severity data for fires, but they have not yet
implemented it. These data are needed to monitor the progress of the agencies’ actions to restore and maintain resilient fire-adapted ecosystems, a
goal of the National Fire Plan.

The National Fire Plan directs the Forest Service and BLM to target their fuel reduction activities with the purpose of lowering the risk of environmental
effects from wildland fires in areas that face the greatest losses. However, the agencies do not systematically assess the risks across landscapes that
fires pose to different environmental resources or ecosystems or the risks of taking no action on fuel reduction projects.

At the landscape level,

the Forest Service and BLM do not have a formal framework for systematically assessing the risk of fire to resources and ecosystems, although some of the forests and BLM field offices have developed risk assessments on their own or in collaboration with regional, state, or local efforts.

At the project level,
while the agencies recognize the need to better analyze the risk of acting to reduce fuels versus not doing so, neither fire planning guidance nor National
Environmental Policy Act guidance specify how to do this. Opportunities exist to clarify how the agencies should analyze the effects of not taking
action to reduce fuels. The agencies can clarify interim guidance to implement the Healthy Forests Restoration Act, and the agencies can, in
conjunction with CEQ, further develop the lessons learned from a CEQ demonstration program carried out in 2003.

Without a risk-based approach,  these agencies cannot target their fuel reduction projects across landscapes or make fully informed decisions about which effects and project alternatives are more desirable.

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I think after all the forests have burned up millions in timber they will have create new policies of forest management (the old ones)  ( since all the forests have burned and there is no more fuel to burn OK? mission complete!  But they will never admit their policies were WRONG oh no  ) -

Bill would reduce excessive fuel loads on federal lands through livestock grazing and timber thinning

“The Public Lands Council, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association and Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association expressed strong support for the Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 (H.R. 1345), reintroduced with bipartisan support by Rep. Paul Gosar, R-AZ. This bill, familiar from the last session of Congress, facilitates an expedited process to reduce hazardous fuel loads on federal lands through livestock grazing and timber harvesting.

The bill proposes to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire on areas managed by the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management identified as high-risk. It would streamline analyses performed under the National Environmental Policy Act in those areas, expediting fuels-reduction activities such as livestock grazing and timber thinning. When threatened or endangered species are at risk, it would also allow for hazardous fuels-reduction projects to go forward under existing emergency provisions of the Endangered Species Act. Furthermore, it adds to last year’s legislation by including contract stewardship and good neighbor authority measures, which facilitate the completion of forest management projects through public-private partnerships and cooperation with state governments.

PLC President Brice Lee and NCBA President Scott George agreed that the bill addresses the significant issue of catastrophic wildfire in the West by reducing administrative delays, expediting forest management processes, and encouraging better forest health and economic development.

“Last year, more than 9 million acres were burned in one of the worst fire seasons this country has seen in the last few decades. In that scenario, everyone bears the burden of habitat loss—ranchers, western communities, wildlife and the taxpayer, to name a few,” Lee said. “We hope that Congress acts swiftly and moves forward with passing this legislation, so that ranchers and entire communities do not remain vulnerable during what may be another devastating fire season this year.”

George added that fires threaten both rural and urban communities and impair the watersheds the public depends on.

“The red tape beleaguering USFS and the BLM when addressing wildfires is endangering the lives and operations of livestock producers, threatening the natural resources the public depends on, and hindering economic growth,” said George. “This bill seeks to put an end to these issues and allow for better management of public lands.”

The Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 is a commonsense way to accomplish that and to prevent wildfires from destroying public and private lands across the West.”

Date: 4/15/2013
H.R.1345 - Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 113th Congress (2013-2014

Sponsor: Rep. Gosar, Paul A. [R-AZ-4] (Introduced 03/21/2013)

Cosponsors: 16

Latest Action: 04/23/2013 Referred to the Subcommittee on Conservation, Energy, and Forestry. [ dead dead dead !  Oh there is SO much more to burn in the west!!! ]
Major Recorded Votes: There are no Roll Call votes for this bill

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DO NOTHING Jokers on House  Subcommittee on Conservation, Energy, and Forestry :

Rep. Glenn Thompson, PA-5 Chairman Rep.
Timothy J. Walz, MN-1   Ranking Member



Rep. Mike Rogers (AL-3)
Rep. Bob Gibbs (OH-7)
Rep. Scott R. Tipton (CO-3)
Rep. Eric A. "Rick" Crawford (AR-1)
Rep. Martha Roby (AL-2)
Rep. Reid J. Ribble (WI-8)
Rep. Kristi L. Noem (SD-At-Large)
Rep. Dan Benishek (MI-1)


Rep. Gloria Negrete McLeod (CA-35)
Rep. Ann M. Kuster (NH-2)
Rep. Richard M. Nolan (MN-8)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (NC-7)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-5)
Rep. Suzan K. DelBene (WA-1)

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Lake Tahoe Summit - Remarks
August 25, 2020 Speeches

It was great to be a part of the 24th annual Lake Tahoe Summit held on August 25th, 2020. A resilient Tahoe requires resilient forests – and resilient forests require active scientific management.

Four years ago, a bi-partisan effort achieved an important milestone toward that goal. We got a categorical exclusion from the National Environmental Policy act that streamlines forest management projects here in the Basin for fuel reduction.

Resilient Federal Forests Act
November 1, 2017 Speeches

Forty-five years ago, Congress enacted laws such as the National Environmental Policy Act, that promised to improve the health of our forests.

They imposed what have become endlessly time-consuming and ultimately cost-prohibitive restrictions on our ability to properly manage our national forests so that we can match the tree density with the ability of the land to support it. After 45 years of experience with these laws, I think we’re entitled to ask, “How are the forests doing?” The answer is damning.

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“We Are Running Out of Forests to Save”
October 3, 2017

Mr. Speaker:

I want to thank Chairman Gosar of the Western Caucus for arranging this special order tonight.  The wildfire crisis facing our forests across the West comes down to a simple adage.  Excess timber comes out of the forest one way or the other. It is either carried out, or it burns out.  But it comes out.

When we carried out our excess timber, we had healthy, resilient forests and we had thriving prosperous communities. Excess timber sales from federal lands not only generated revenues for our mountain communities, but created thousands of jobs.  But in the 1970’s, we adopted laws like the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act that have resulted in endlessly time consuming and cost-prohibitive restrictions and requirements that have made the scientific management of our forests virtually impossible. Timber sales from the federal lands have dropped 80 percent in the intervening years, with a concomitant increase in forest fires.  In California alone, the number of saw mills has dropped from 149 in 1981 to just 27 today. 

Timber that once had room to grow healthy and strong now fights for its life against other trees trying to occupy the same ground.  Average tree density in the Sierra Nevada is three to four times the density the land can support. In this weakened condition, trees lose their natural defenses to drought, disease, pestilence, and ultimately succumb to catastrophic wildfire.


We Are Running Out of Forests to Save
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'I have never seen anything like this': Oregon towns emptied and confusion spreads amid fires
[The Guardian]
Jason Wilson in Molalla, Oregon
,The Guardian•September 11, 2020

In southbound lanes, meanwhile, dozens of local and state police cruisers, fire-and-rescue trucks and ambulances sped towards the town and the two megafires threatening its existence: the Riverside fire, which has burned 125,000 acres to the east of Mollala, and the deadly Beechie Creek fire, which has incinerated more than 182,000 acres, mostly in neighboring Marion county, while killing at least two, and destroying the lakeside town of Detroit.

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