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« on: Dec 21, 2018, 05:37:34 am »
 

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Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan – reports
http://www.rt.com/news/447093-us-troops-withdrawl-afghanistan/





'US President Donald Trump has reportedly "lost all patience" and ordered the Pentagon to look into options to cut down the 14,000-strong US contingent in Afghanistan, defying his generals' advice, according to multiple media.

Trump has grown increasingly frustrated over the Afghan stalemate, pushing for the end of the 17-year-long US campaign in the country in the past several weeks, ABC News reported, citing a US official.

"What are we doing there. We've been there all these years," Trump reportedly told an ally at a meeting on Wednesday, Reuters reported. The same day Trump is said to have discussed the potential pullout or a considerable reduction of the US force with his outgoing Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his hawkish national security adviser John Bolton.

The commander-in-chief, however, has not found support for his withdrawal plan, according to ABC. Hours before the deliberations have been reported by US media, Mattis handed in his resignation letter, citing differences in views with the President.'



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Re: Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan
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The Neo cons and warmongers are all up in arms at the hint that US troops might leave Syria and Afghanistan.  Will the troop pullout actually happen?  I honestly don't know, but I do not have hope. Unfortunately given the past history, I would not be surprised if a false flag happens to sway public opinion that an indefinite illegal occupation of countries in the Middle East is necessary.



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Re: Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan
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Its Fake News

They left years ago, nice man on the TV told me so....



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Re: Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan
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The Neo cons and warmongers are all up in arms at the hint that US troops might leave Syria and Afghanistan.  Will the troop pullout actually happen?  I honestly don't know, but I do not have hope. Unfortunately given the past history, I would not be surprised if a false flag happens to sway public opinion that an indefinite illegal occupation of countries in the Middle East is necessary.



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I understand your mistrust but I think that US Army will leave Syria and Afghanistan. Why ? Because General "Mad Dog" Mattis will leave White House in February.



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I understand your mistrust but I think that US Army will leave Syria and Afghanistan. Why ? Because General "Mad Dog" Mattis will leave White House in February.

When I was driving home, BBC News said when Mattis leaves he will be the last of the Axis of Adults  . . . so any Adults stopping Trump from doing something really dumb are gone.

#MAGA - bwhahahhahahahahhaah
Not see a President mocked and treated like a total moron since Regan... and he was completely shot away upstairs with dementia.





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When I was driving home, BBC News said when Mattis leaves he will be the last of the Axis of Adults  . . . so any Adults stopping Trump from doing something really dumb are gone.

#MAGA - bwhahahhahahahahhaah
Not see a President mocked and treated like a total moron since Regan... and he was completely shot away upstairs with dementia.





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I think some of the mocking is part of strategy to convince the public that only establishment NWO people are worthy of running for president.  Look at the accolades bestowed on George HW Bush upon his death.  Trump is the establishment guy so he is being financially rewarded while he plays the moron.

Mattis was for the continutation of immoral and illegal wars, so I will not cry about this his departure.



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The Neo cons and warmongers are all up in arms at the hint that US troops might leave Syria and Afghanistan.  Will the troop pullout actually happen?  I honestly don't know, but I do not have hope. Unfortunately given the past history, I would not be surprised if a false flag happens to sway public opinion that an indefinite illegal occupation of countries in the Middle East is necessary.

That is spot on. I'd worry more about another false flag now, rather than celebrate this report.

I understand your mistrust but I think that US Army will leave Syria and Afghanistan. Why ? Because General "Mad Dog" Mattis will leave White House in February.

Remember Drain the Swamp? Never happened then, won't happen now. I'm sure the US military brass is 99% swamp. There's no other type to select for the job.

When I was driving home, BBC News said when Mattis leaves he will be the last of the Axis of Adults  . . . so any Adults stopping Trump from doing something really dumb are gone.

#MAGA - bwhahahhahahahahhaah
Not see a President mocked and treated like a total moron since Regan... and he was completely shot away upstairs with dementia.

We're gonna need truther vets from back then to wake Trump worshipers up after he's no longer in office. Regan's clout still hovers over those that love "America." There was another post, not too long ago, that I thought really pointed this out and I just didn't have the time or something to respond correctly. This post is another example. If you have ever been able to wake people up about how Regan was no good for the US, we need you types who are out there.


P.S. This is still good news though in general, if true.



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Trump has NOT ordered Afghan Troop WithDrawal
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Trump hasn’t ordered Afghan troop withdrawal yet, White House official says
http://www.rt.com/usa/447665-trump-no-afghanistan-pullout/





'The US president has “no determination” to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, a White House official has said following media reports that suggested Donald Trump was considering bringing the American contingent home.

Trump “has not made a determination” to scale down the US military presence in Afghanistan, and he “has not directed the Department of Defense to begin the process of withdrawing US personnel from Afghanistan,” Garrett Marquis, a spokesman for the National Security Council (NSC), said in an emailed statement to Bloomberg.

It comes amid speculation that Trump was losing patience with US involvement in the 17-year-long Afghanistan war, and that it was only a matter of time until troops were withdrawn. Last week, ABC News reported the president had grown increasingly frustrated over the Afghan stalemate. Spam_A Spam_B Reuters followed suit, saying that Trump told an internal meeting last Wednesday: “What are we doing there? We’ve been there all these years.” On the same day, Trump reportedly raised the matter with the outgoing Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and National Security Advisor John Bolton.

Other reports even contained details of the time frame for leaving Afghanistan. While ABC News reported that troops might withdraw “in the coming weeks,” NBC News, citing two other defense officials, said no decision had yet been made and that the Pentagon is likely to present available options “shortly after the new year.”

However, General Scott Miller, the US commander of Western-led forces in Afghanistan, said on Sunday that he hadn’t received any instructions to change troop levels in the war-ridden country – a statement that the NSC appeared to retrospectively confirm.

Another top military commander, Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned that another 9/11-like attack would be possible if US forces leave Afghanistan. The general claimed that US troops are essential to containing the Taliban and backing the Western-trained Afghan National Army.'



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Re: Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan
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Well it looks like cynicism was warranted.

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No Syria withdrawal without Turkish pledge not to attack Kurds, Bolton says

https://nbcnews.com/news/mideast/no-syria-withdrawal-without-commitment-turkey-bolton-says-n955181

President Donald Trump will not withdraw American troops from northern Syria until the Turkish government guarantees it won’t then attack Syrian Kurdish forces that have been critical allies in the fight against ISIS, national security adviser John Bolton said Sunday.

Bolton said a commitment from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that protects the Kurds after American forces exit is something Trump is demanding, and that it’s just one of several conditions that have to be met before U.S. troops leave.

“There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said.

He spoke to reporters traveling with him to Israel and Turkey as he tried to clarify Trump’s Syria withdrawal policy for allies. He’s meeting with Israeli officials Sunday and Monday, and with Turkish officials, including Erdogan, on Tuesday.



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US framework deal with Taliban raises hope of Afghan peace
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US framework deal with Taliban raises hope of Afghan peace
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Re: Trump mulling mass pullout of troops from Afghanistan
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US intelligence chiefs contradict Trump on Daesh, North Korea
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'US intelligence chiefs have contradicted President Donald Trump's assertions related to national security, underlining a persistent division in his view of the world and theirs.

During a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on Tuesday, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and CIA director Gina Haspel appeared to contradict the claims made by Trump on the Daesh terrorist group and North Korea.

Trump announced last month that he was going to withdraw American troops from Syria because Daesh had been defeated and there was no reason for the US to extend military presence in the war-torn country. The decision, however, was met with criticism from both Democrats and Republicans, prompting then defense secretary James Mattis and Brett McGurk, the US special envoy to the so-called anti-Daesh coalition in Syria and Iraq, to resign.

Coats said Tuesday that "ISIS (Daesh) is intent on resurging and still commands thousands of fighters in Iraq and Syria."

US intelligence assessment is that the terror group "very likely will continue to pursue external attacks from Iraq and Syria against regional and Western adversaries, including the United States," he added.

On North Korea, Trump said in June, after returning from Singapore where he had held a historic summit with North Korea leader Kim Jong-un, that Pyongyang did not pose any nuclear threat.'



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‘All expectations exceeded’: Former Afghan president Karzai rathers Moscow talks than US ‘failure’
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By hosting a meeting between the Taliban and other Afghan delegates, Moscow has greatly contributed to a peace process in Afghanistan, ex-President Hamid Karzai said, denouncing years of “failed” US military presence and policies.

“We would like to express our deep gratitude to the Russian government for the efforts it took to create conditions for the intra-Afghan meeting in Moscow,” Karzai told Sputnik news agency, adding that the two-day talks “exceeded all expectations.” The former Afghan president called the talks a “historic step” and called Moscow’s approach “successful and effective.” Karzai spoke highly of Russia’s role and expressed his hope that Moscow would continue to contribute to intra-Afghan reconciliation until “Afghanistan gets back on its feet.”





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Meeting in Moscow: The Taliban Meets the Afghan Opposition






It had the semblance of a play lacking key actors. They were deemed the difficult ones, and a decision was made to go through with the performance. The Taliban were willing to talk with their adversaries, but they were keen on doing so with opposition politicians rather than the stick-in-the-mud types in government led by the current President Ashraf Ghani. The assessment from The New York Times over the whole affair held at the President Hotel in Moscow was that the meeting could only be, at best, “a brainstorming session”.

The Taliban officials going to Moscow were a different crew, at least in terms of perceptions. These were not the intemperate salad day youths of 1996, yanking cassettes from car stereos in Kandahar and ranting against all matters musical and female. These were men of diplomacy, their guns holstered. Gone were visions of seizing the whole of Afghanistan and establishing a broader theocratic state. Doing so, by their admission, would not bring the state to peaceful order. Nor, and here there will be questions, did they seem unwilling to reconsider their position on broader notion of human rights. The claims from the Taliban demonstrate their continued boldness and durability. Enemies have come and gone, and they remain steadfast in imposing order. Their brutality remains common and assertive, but they have become wiser, more discerning in their heavy-handedness.

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“Peace is more difficult than war,” suggested Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, one of the members of the negotiating party to head to Moscow.


The January draft agreement arising from a series of meetings with US Special Envoy for Afghanistan Reconciliation, Zalmay Khalilzad, suggests a commitment on the part of the US to withdraw its forces from the country with a Taliban promise to prevent Afghanistan being used as a staging ground for jihadists in future.

The Wednesday statement did little to add flesh to any potential bargain but did outline nine points. Continued intra-Afghan talks would take place – the usual talks about talks; involving the cooperation of regional countries and others were “essential to determine lasting and nationwide peace in Afghanistan”.

One aspiration stood out, making all aware about the traumatic divisions in a society that has resisted internally and externally imposed changes for generations. Unity has been impossible; centralisation of the state an impracticable and unrealisable dream.

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“All parties agreed that the values such as respect for the principles of Islam in all parts of the system, the principle that Afghanistan is a common home to all Afghans, support to a powerful centralised government with all ethnicities having a role in it, protecting national sovereignty and promoting social justice, to keep Afghanistan neutral in all regional and international conflicts, protecting Afghanistan’s national and religious values and undertaking a unified and single policy.”


The other aspirations follow on from the first: the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghan soil; an affirmation of Afghanistan’s sovereignty and the principle of non-interference. Then come promises to protect “social, economic, political and educational rights of the Afghan women in line with Islamic principles, protection of political and social rights of the entire people of Afghanistan and protection of freedom of speech in line with Islamic principles.”

Ghani’s spokesman Samim Arif expressed his sentiments on the gathering.

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“On the issue of the peace process, we respect the views of all parts of society, including the politicians. But the ownership and the leadership of the peace process is the authority of the Afghan government.”


Ghani was even blunter:

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“With whom, what will they agree upon there? Where is their executive power? Let hundreds of such meetings be held, but these would only be paper (agreements) unless there is an agreement by the Afghan government; Afghanistan’s national assembly and Afghanistan’s legal institutions.”


Ghani might as well have asked himself those same questions, his rule itself very much a paper based one, his claims to executive authority adventurous at best.

Notwithstanding the activities in Moscow, there will no doubt be a good number of Afghans, left confused by years of external intervention and promptings, concerned by this affirmation and legitimation of Taliban rule. While the Moscow declaration insists on observing various rights previously anathema to Taliban theocracy, these are provisional within the remit of “Islamic principles”, which have been shown to be roughly interpreted when needed. Schools may continue being threatened under any new regime; education for females face the prospects of being reined in (religious reasons apply, naturally), as they always tend to in areas of Taliban occupation. Aired guarantees are simply that.

The gathering in Moscow signalled one undeniable reality: the Taliban as a political force cannot be ignored. Remarks made in the immediate aftermath of the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 by US-led forces that the Taliban would be blown to smithereens and wiped off the lunar face of the country have come to nought. These fighters have lasted the distance; corrupt officials in Kabul, pampered and sponsored by foreign largesse, remain estranged and politically weak. The Trump administration, prone to erratic spots of unilateral viciousness, is keen on easing part of the imperium’s commitments in the Middle East. Eyes will be on Kabul to see how far this goes.


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‘Time to declare victory!’ US senators seek to end ‘forever war’ in Afghanistan
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It’s important to know when to declare victory and leave a war,” Paul (R-Ky.) said in a video announcing the American Forces Going Home After Noble Service (AFGHANS) Act, adding, “I think that time has long passed.”

Soon, US service members will begin deploying to Afghanistan to fight in a war that began before they were born,” Udall (D-N.Mex.) said in a statement issued alongside the bill, pointing out that al-Qaeda – the stated target of the invasion way back in 2001 – is practically nonexistent in Afghanistan nearly two decades later, and Osama bin Laden is long dead.</div>
Perhaps recalling the president’s flip-flopping on withdrawal from Syria, the AFGHANS bill acts fast, setting a one-year deadline for complete US withdrawal from Afghanistan with plans for a handover to the Afghan government to be drawn up within 45 days of passage. The 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force – the document which has been stretched a little further with every country the US invades under the auspices of the “War on Terror” – would be repealed at the conclusion of the pullout.'



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