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The Myth of a Firearms Free Australia
« on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:07:27 pm »
 

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There is a persistant myth that often makes the rounds whenever there is a mass shooting, that Australia is a much safer place because Firearms are banned.

The truth is:

  • Firearms are not banned; only very hard to aquire.
  • Shootings occure on a weekly basis. Mostly with illegal or stolen firearms.



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« Reply #1 on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:09:15 pm »
 

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A dangerous pride: Australia’s misunderstood gun laws

Ben Hagemann
10 November 2017

In the wake of the most atrocious shooting spree ever seen in the US, we’ve witnessed a spree of another kind, of pompous back-patting about the apparent success of the 1996 firearm law reforms. It’s not a new conversation, but the ever-strengthening, everyman culture of the digital media sees many wading in to scold the Americans for their inability to see the light and follow our shining example.
Despite the irony of my own ovine urge to follow the herd, a piece in The Conversation last week gave impetus to look at a few of the keynote papers referred to by criminologist David Bright.

To an inquiring observer, it would seem that the horrors of Port Arthur caused our national consciousness to undergo a significant shift, seemingly overnight. The worst massacre ever seen (since the shame of our colonial past) made us snap and decide, no more. The astute opportunism of our new leader sent a long-debated Federal framework for firearms regulation scorching its way to enactment like a high-velocity round in only 12 days.

The corresponding drop in the rate of firearm murders, accelerating the already steep rate of fall witnessed through the preceding decade, was heralded as proof positive that the reform was a grand success. The opinionistas crow about it at every opportunity. But is that fair?

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More - https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/a-dangerous-pride-australias-misunderstood-gun-laws/



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« Reply #2 on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:12:16 pm »
 

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26/12/2017 - Abhorrent crime': Manhunt underway for two suspects after boy, 10, was shot

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/abhorrent-crime-manhunt-underway-for-two-suspects-after-boy-10-was-shot



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« Reply #3 on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:14:31 pm »
 

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26/12/2017 - Scene of shooting in Carrara

Emotional scenes outside Riverbend Avenue in Carrara where the man was shot dead.

https://abc.net.au/news/2017-12-28/scene-of-shooting-in-carrara/8089784



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15/12/2017 - One hurt in overnight shooting incident in Hobart’s northern suburbs

A CLAREMONT man has been charged with grievous bodily harm after a woman was shot in the stomach at a home in Hobart’s northern suburbs just before 9pm on Thursday.

https://themercury.com.au/news/scales-of-justice/one-hurt-in-overnight-shooting-incident-in-hobarts-northern-suburbs/news-story/ff8feba71fa7baa00594513c62ff9eea



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« Reply #5 on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:22:56 pm »
 

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21/12/2017 - Firearm discharged during road rage incident in Glenorchy but no one injured

Two Hobart families clashed in Glenorchy on Thursday when a man leaned out of a moving car and fired a sawn-off shotgun at another vehicle on Windsor St, which is near a school zone.


https://themercury.com.au/news/scales-of-justice/firearm-discharged-during-road-rage-incident-in-glenorchy-but-no-one-injured/news-story/16a69c8a869fa307235de030d56320e2



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« Reply #6 on: Dec 27, 2017, 08:25:13 pm »
 

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19/12/2017 - Father behind bars after allegedly gunning down son in Mulgrave home
A FATHER will spend Christmas behind bars after he allegedly gunned down his son inside their family home. Peter Smith, 69, appeared at the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court yesterday morning, charged with the murder of his son Andrew Smith on Monday night.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/man-shot-dead-at-home-in-mulgrave/news-story/12315d0e27c622090f52c1b3b1192cc2



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« Reply #7 on: Jan 01, 2018, 01:57:58 pm »
 

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Thanks Brocke.  Gun controllers look to the Australian policies regarding guns.    Australia recently concluded another amnesty for turning in guns.



Australians Surrender 51,000 Guns In Nationwide Amnesty

https://voanews.com/a/australian-surrender-guns-during-amnesty/4061258.html



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« Reply #8 on: Jan 01, 2018, 07:58:08 pm »
 

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In Australia,
do the gun control laws allow weapons used for hunting ?

Having recently watched several programs which show the vastness of the country
and its wilderness areas,
to me it seems foolish to ban all weapons used in self-defence.

For example, I remember the tragic "Dingoes ate my baby" story from years ago re : wildlife in the wilderness.
Crocodiles, snakes, poisonous aquatic wildlife also come to mind.

I do not assume that everyone who lives in OZ is law-abiding.
Distances between towns in certain territories  must make it impossible for police to rapidly respond to crime .

I have lived in the USA and the UK,
and try as they might,
police response time to life threatening crimes remains inadequate.

So what kind of laws are being advocated for gun control in Australia now,
and do you think that they are reasonable, Brocke ?



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« Reply #9 on: Jan 02, 2018, 03:18:04 pm »
 

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In Australia,
do the gun control laws allow weapons used for hunting ?

Having recently watched several programs which show the vastness of the country
and its wilderness areas,
to me it seems foolish to ban all weapons used in self-defence.

For example, I remember the tragic "Dingoes ate my baby" story from years ago re : wildlife in the wilderness.
Crocodiles, snakes, poisonous aquatic wildlife also come to mind.

I do not assume that everyone who lives in OZ is law-abiding.
Distances between towns in certain territories  must make it impossible for police to rapidly respond to crime .

I have lived in the USA and the UK,
and try as they might,
police response time to life threatening crimes remains inadequate.

So what kind of laws are being advocated for gun control in Australia now,
and do you think that they are reasonable, Brocke ?



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Firearms are allowed in Australia for farming, hunting, sporting, collecting. That's it. You must maintain a licence and permits for each firearm for the category of firearm you own (A, B, C, D, E). You must also have proof for the reason that you own the firearm i.e; a club membership, ownership of farmland. You can only purchase ammunition for the firearm that is listed on your permit/s.


Self defence is prohibited except for licenced security personnel, police, military.


Australia has very strict "excessive force" laws:




In 2002, New South Wales reintroduced excessive self defence as s421 of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW). Section 421 states:[11][/size][/i][/font][/color][/size](a) the person uses force that involves the intentional or reckless infliction of death, and(b) the conduct is not a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them, but the person believes the conduct is necessary:(c) to defend himself or herself or another person, or(d) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person.[/size](2) The person is not criminally responsible for murder but, on a trial for murder, the person is to be found guilty of manslaughter if the person is otherwise criminally responsible for manslaughter.
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[/size]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_(Australia)[/color]


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[/size]Basically the opposite of Libertarian or Natural Law principals.

Illegal firearms are used all the time in Australia to commit crimes.


As an American resident in Australia I respect their laws and the fairly recent anti-gun culture. However, my belief is that the only truly fair way of policing firearms is to allow everyone access to firearms or allow no one access.



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« Reply #10 on: Jan 06, 2018, 03:47:19 pm »
 

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Doug Stanhope on USA vs UK Violence












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Doug Stanhope on USA vs UK Violence

A heck of a lot of truth behind the comedy.

So, how does Australia compare or fit in ?



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« Reply #12 on: Jan 06, 2018, 05:21:59 pm »
 

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A heck of a lot of truth behind the comedy.

So, how does Australia compare or fit in ?



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Australia is on par with the U.K. regarding gun control with the exception of history, tradition, population and attitude.


The laws are as restrictive if not more.
Australians have a short memory and no long tradition of firearm ownership.
A small population that is easily manipulated by peer pressure and media.
A very laissez-faire attitude towards their personal liberty and self-determination.


In Australia you can get a licence for a Pistol: barrel must be 5in plus, not larger calibre than 9mm/.357in, magazine capacity 8 rounds max.
In Australia air guns are ALL restricted and you must have a licence.



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« Reply #13 on: Feb 03, 2018, 04:20:23 pm »
 

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Police shoot man dead during armed holdup in Melbourne
January 29, 2018
UPDATED: A BOTTLE shop owner in Melbourne says he is lucky after police shot dead a man holding up his store with a sawn-off shotgun.
https://news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/police-shoot-man-dead-during-armed-holdup-in-melbourne/news-story/7dba666609ea864b5ee53b9112077729



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Gunshots fired from one car into another in Mascot
February 1, 2018
POLICE are hunting for a gunman after shots were fired from one car into another, before both vehicles sped away, in Sydney.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/gunshots-fired-from-one-car-into-another-in-mascot/news-story/9724cb58bd3bd9584c4a4b747008080d



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Bankstown shooting: 'Blood everywhere' after lawyer gunned down at café
Jan 23, 2018
A local lawyer has been shot dead in front of horrified witnesses at a shopping centre cafe in Sydney's south-west.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/01/23/16/02/shooting-at-bankstown-city-plaza



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Manhunt underway after drive-by shooting at Mount Keira
February 1 2018
Wollongong police believe a drive-by shooting at Mount Keira in the early hours of Thursday morning was targeted.
Several shots were fired into a home on Mount Keira Road about 5am, police said.
http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5202294/manhunt-underway-after-drive-by-shooting-at-mount-keira/



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Man shot at a Carrara home on the Gold Coast
January 8, 2018
POLICE are looking for three men and a woman after a man was shot outside a Gold Coast home this afternoon.

About 4pm man was confronted by three men and a woman, one armed with gun and another a metal pole, at a residence on Plateau Crescent, Carrara.

Shortly after he was shot and received injuries to his left arm and chest.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/man-shot-at-a-carrara-home-on-the-gold-coast/news-story/b2ed23f602567a0d6a8e78240a7ff370



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Ballan man dumped at Melbourne hospital after shooting
January 14 2018
A Ballan man suffering a gunshot wound was dumped outside a Melbourne hospital at the weekend.

Police have seized a van found just streets away from Monash Medical Centre, where 35-year-old Ballan the man was dumped on Saturday afternoon.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5166648/ballan-man-dumped-at-melbourne-hospital-after-shooting/



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Sports shooting dropped from Commonwealth Games
25 January 2018
For the first time since 1970 sports shooting will be excluded from the [2022] Commonwealth Games. Last week the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF) chief executive, David Grevemberg, confirmed suspicions that shooters were being given the snub for the 2022 Birmingham Commonwealth Games.
...A major reason for not selecting shooting is supposedly due to a lack of appropriate facilities near the host city. Bisley Shooting Ground in Surrey, which was the site for the shooting during the Manchester 2002 Games, is 130 miles away. ...
https://ssaa.org.au/members/member-announcements/sports-shooting-dropped-from-commonwealth-games/


Interesting fact:

The 49th rifle and pistol club is less than 6 miles from Alexander Stadium.

The 49th Rifle & Pistol Club was formed in 1945 as part of the 49th Warwickshire Home Guard Battalion Old Comrades Association, and is one of the largest target shooting clubs in the West Midlands.
http://www.49th.co.uk/




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« Reply #20 on: Sep 28, 2018, 03:43:13 pm »
 

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Why Australia's famed gun control laws probably wouldn't reduce shooting deaths in America

https://latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-australia-gun-law-deaths-20180926-story.html


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“Many claims have been made about the NFA’s far-reaching effects and its potential benefits if implemented in the United States,” wrote Stuart Gilmour, a statistician at St. Luke’s International University in Tokyo, and his coauthors from the University of Tokyo. “However, more detailed analysis of the law shows that it likely had a negligible effect on firearm suicides and homicides in Australia and may not have as large an effect in the United States as some gun control advocates expect.”
Previous studies have said otherwise. A 2010 report in the American Law and Economics Review concluded that “the buyback led to a drop in the firearm suicide rates of almost 80%” and had a similar effect on gun-related homicides. But that study ignored the fact that gun deaths were already falling when the program went into effect.
A 2016 study in the Journal of the American Medical Assn. acknowledged that a decline in gun-related suicides and homicides was indeed underway but said these mortality rates dropped more sharply in the aftermath of the NFA. However, the JAMA study failed to consider deaths that had nothing to do with guns. That means they might have given the gun control law credit for something that would have happened anyway.


More at the link ---> http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-australia-gun-law-deaths-20180926-story.html



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REVEALED: There are 400,000 more guns in Australia now than there were before the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre

https://msn.com/en-au/news/australia/revealed-there-are-400000-more-guns-in-australia-now-than-there-were-before-the-1996-port-arthur-massacre/ar-BBVplwn

There are more firearms in Australia today than there were more than two decades ago before the harrowing Port Arthur Massacre.

The revelation comes after Al Jazeera broadcast its undercover investigation exposing recordings of members of Australia's One Nation party asking American pro-gun groups for money to help relax gun control.

One Nation Queensland leader Steve Dickson and chief-of-staff James Ashby travelled to the U.S. on a fundraising mission in September last year and were filmed saying they could 'change Australia' if given money.

The secret recordings have brought to light the amount of hate gun enthusiasts have for Australia's strict gun laws and how the laws have weakened since the 1996 mass shooting.

While Australia's gun laws are some of the strictest in the world, it seems the number of firearms in the country has been steadily increasing.

Experts say there are now more firearms in the country than before the Port Arthur massacre with the number of guns per owner skyrocketing by 85 per cent.

According to Gun Control Australia's (GCA) Australia Institute report, the number of guns exceeds that of the 3.2 million firearms that existed before the massacre.

The amount of privately owned firearms in Australia was last recorded at 3.6 million in 2017, a 400,000 jump from the amount owned prior to the 1996 shooting.

The study found that in just 22 years, guns per owner increased dramatically from 2.1 to 3.9 while the number of licensed gun owners fell by 40 per cent.

More at the link --> https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/revealed-there-are-400000-more-guns-in-australia-now-than-there-were-before-the-1996-port-arthur-massacre/ar-BBVplwn



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