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« on: Aug 09, 2017, 01:50:29 pm »
 

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What did Putin do as a KGB agent?

"Russian word" Oleg Jegorov, | 08. 08. 2017

KGB agent Vladimir Putin, the future president of Russia, spent five years in Dresden in East Germany. Here's what we know about this period of Putin's career.
- The secret agent can never be ex-says the Russian proverb, and Vladimir Putin is, in all likelihood, a living example that she is true. He was from 1975-1991. He was an agent of the KGB. He does not talk much about his career in the KGB, nor about the years he spent in Dresden (1985-1989) as an agent in East Germany. Almost nothing is known about the operations in which he participated as an agent of the external intelligence service. However, some data are known, and the site "Russian word" has published them in its text.

"A pretty routine job"

Putin was a very young agent (33 years old) when sent by the KGB leadership to East Germany. He was already married (now his ex-wife) Ljudmila and had one child - his daughter Maria (younger daughter Yekaterina was born in Dresden in 1986). After finishing his training at the Academy of Foreign Intelligence in Moscow, Putin could choose (since he spoke German) would he wait a few years to direct him to West Germany or immediately go to East Germany. He chose this other.

In a book of interviews with Russia's first man, Putin talks about how KGB agents were interested in gathering all information related to a strategic opponent, thinking about NATO. The Russian president modestly characterized his work as a "rather routine job" and outlined his activities at the time: recruiting informants, collecting data and forwarding them to Moscow.

In an interview for state television "Russia 24" in 2017 Putin said that all his work in the external intelligence service was closely related to the illegal, i.e. Secret agents. Since Putin himself was the legal agent of the KGB, this means that he communicated with illegal residents and helped them stay connected with the "center".


The impression is that now Putin as president speaks of a period spent in Germany as something that he remained in a good memory, and that he does not forget his old colleagues. For example, in 2017, he personally visited his former chief Lazar Mojsejev, a former KGB representative in the State Security Service of East Germany, and congratulated him on his 90th birthday.

Beer and neighbors from Stazia

Putin (now ex-wife) Ljudmila in the interview said that their family was thrilled with German cleanliness and organization. As far as Putin is concerned, he admitted that he received 12 kilograms in Germany thanks to the German beer he consume while resting after a hard working day in the KGB. Upon his return to Russia he lost excess pounds, perhaps because the Russian beer in the 1990s was not so good.

According to Ljudmila, they organized family lunches, which were also invited by Putin's colleagues and Germans. Of course, there were also several agents of Stasi, because the USSR and East Germany were allies, and members of the East German secret police lived in Putin's neighborhood.


A Russian leader says his family did not live luxuriously. They only managed to save money for the car, which in the socialist countries at that time was rare. Ljudmila stated in the interview that she had the impression that the agents of Stasi had higher salaries than KGB agents.

Putin and a crowd of disgruntled Germans

However, the Stazes went badly in 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell and the unification of Germany began. On December 5, 1989, Putin saw that a crowd of angry citizens were attacking a German state security building located on the same street as the KGB headquarters, and he realized that his staff would be attacked. He tried to establish contact with KGB administration in Moscow, but nobody answered him. Then Putin independently withdrew a determined move.

Zigfrid Danat, who was in that crowd, remembers that a Russian officer came out of the building and approached the closed gate. He told the crowd that people had to leave the facility because it was a Soviet territory and armed security was ready to shoot if someone broke in. Danat says that this KGB member was polite and spoke German well. These words calmed the crowd (no one wanted bloodshed) and everyone left the KGB headquarters alone.

Vladimir Putin (and he was that officer) did not have much time to enjoy the triumph. Within days, he and his colleagues have destroyed all KGB-related material in East Germany. The most valuable documents were sent to Moscow, and everything else was burned. "We ate them day by day," Putin said. "We burned so much of the paper that the oven was ruined." Shortly afterwards, Putin left his Dresden with his family. His mission was completed, as was the presence of the KGB in Germany.

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Re: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
« Reply #1 on: Aug 09, 2017, 03:20:22 pm »
 

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His mission was completed, as was the presence of the KGB in Germany.


What mission? Think he was overseeing the ending of east Germany and the wall? Helping end the Cold War and marching the world towards more globalism? Gorbachev steps up and the KGB is out of east Germany in a year.
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Re: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
« Reply #2 on: Aug 09, 2017, 03:49:13 pm »
 

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What mission? Think he was overseeing the ending of east Germany and the wall? Helping end the Cold War and marching the world towards more globalism? Gorbachev steps up and the KGB is out of east Germany in a year.

Mission of retreat of USSR from East Germany. Agent Putin finished the job and go back to Russia for new missions ( and promotion ? )

 

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 09, 2017, 03:57:13 pm »
 

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Mission of retreat of USSR from East Germany. Agent Putin finished the job and go back to Russia for new missions ( and promotion ? )

Cha-ching! I'll have to keep this in mind. I haven't really looked into Putin that far back much.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 09, 2017, 04:04:27 pm »
 

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I think the KGB is more than 'one' thing.

I suspect that like other agencies it has internal factions, and that Putin represents one of those factions. The faction that disliked ideology, was more patriotic and pragmatic. That faction helped in the overthrow of the other faction, the ideological minded faction.

Elites are like parasites, but the good health of the host was in the parasites interest. What has changed, is the New World Order is a parasite that wants to kill its host and thinks its better off with out its host, or its host at deaths door.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 09, 2017, 04:48:13 pm »
 

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I think the KGB is more than 'one' thing.

I suspect that like other agencies it has internal factions, and that Putin represents one of those factions. The faction that disliked ideology, was more patriotic and pragmatic. That faction helped in the overthrow of the other faction, the ideological minded faction.

Elites are like parasites, but the good health of the host was in the parasites interest. What has changed, is the New World Order is a parasite that wants to kill its host and thinks its better off with out its host, or its host at deaths door.

Maybe.
Putin: Bolsheviks are traitors of Russia

Speaking in the Upper House of the Russian Parliament Putin said the Bolsheviks, especially the ruling elite of the party, betrayed Russia’s national interests and allowed Germany to win the war with Russia even though eventually Germany was defeated. The President added that Bolsheviks had been so reluctant to admit their mistakes that in the Soviet period the First World War was called “the Imperialist War” and the authorities deliberately ignored the heroism of Russian soldiers in art and propaganda. Putin added that in reality the First World War was not an imperialist one.

The topic was raised when the upper house discussed the possibility of funding the maintenance of the Russian necropolis in Serbia – the burial place of at least 3,000 Russians, including 124 generals of the Tsarist Army. Putin stressed he supported the idea to fund the monument.
President Putin traditionally opposes the Communist Party of the Russian Federation – the heirs to the CPSU, but at the same time he has called the breakup of the Soviet Union ‘the biggest geopolitical disaster of the century.” Recently Russia is taking steps against what it sees as the ‘revisionism of history’ – manipulations that question the universally accepted opinion on most questionable issues of the past.

https://www.rt.com/politics/putin-accuses-bolsheviks-treason-877/http://
 

Re: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
« Reply #6 on: Aug 09, 2017, 06:10:53 pm »
 

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Dear Mr Bundy and poseidonlost,

This opens up a new area of possibilities in my brain regarding Putin's recent meeting with Merkel in building a closer relationship
between Russia and Germany.

It does not create any suspicion or dislike in my mind for Mr Putin, who comes across as more restrained and reasonable than Mr Trump and his controllers .
And who is pulling Mr Putin's strings?
Could it be the same puppet-masters ?

I lived through the Cold War between the East and the West.
I know  the allies of the USA were no better  or worse than the allies of the Soviet Union.
Countries being controlled by both superpowers were enslaved  and forced to become minions of one side or the other.
And Germany became powerful again in economics, industry,  and politics.
Who really won WW2 ?

Quite a slight of hand trick, as in the popular film " NOW YOU SEE ME 1 and 2."
i am speaking metaphorically, of course.
Which spy has the moral high ground?
In my mind, it is  a question that makes no sense.

I remember the satirical  publication called MAD MAGAZINE with its graphic series called Spy vs SPY.
One spy was drawn white, the other black, just like pieces on a chess board.
The chess match was being played by the top players  who controlled the world,
those players who promoted the false dichotomy of alleged right vs left, "democracy  vs communism", good vs evil.

It is my personal belief that most people  in the USA have forgotten that Russia was our ally during WW2 .
The allies would have lost the war without Russia's sacrifice of over 25% of their population,
along with the  sacrifices of the UK and many European countries.

The narrative fed to  the American people  and taught to us in our history classes
was that WE played the deciding role in saving the world from fascism.
No mention of all the other countries, their resistance fighters and armies or the Polish and British Air forces.
it was just the  USA who" earned the right to police the world from those evil communists."

So Phoenix, you  all must be wondering.. stop babbling and get to the point.

American affiliated spies have  been working throughout the world promoting this false narrative that the USA will guarantee safety from the Russian  government
if only the countries of the world align themselves with the USA.
Perhaps "spy" may be more accurately understood to be "economic hit men".
"Give us your money and we will give you the illusion of possessing military armaments that are outdated and no longer work."

Maybe there are no good guys vs bad guys, just a bunch of guys being manipulated by money-hungry elitists.

But I  AM preaching to the choir, aren't I ?
i do hope so.
I do hope that you understand that modern Russian  technology out trumps anything the USA currently has in its arsenal of weapons.

Can we all at least consider that this false narrative that" Putin is so evil , even worse that our evil-doers" is just another manipulation  of the USA and its allies ?

Let us ask George Soros,
the former Pope Benedict,
the Bush family,
all the world-wide bankers and industrialists,
the Royal families of Europe,
the leaders of the EU,
"What did you do during WW2 and the Cold War, daddy ?"

Let us hear their answers before we assume that Putin is somehow worse than the other players in this game of thrones.
 

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 09, 2017, 07:18:01 pm »
 

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It is my personal belief that most people  in the USA have forgotten that Russia was our ally during WW2 .
The allies would have lost the war without Russia's sacrifice of over 25% of their population,
along with the  sacrifices of the UK and many European countries.

The narrative fed to  the American people  and taught to us in our history classes
was that WE played the deciding role in saving the world from fascism.
No mention of all the other countries, their resistance fighters and armies or the Polish and British Air forces.
it was just the  USA who" earned the right to police the world from those evil communists."


I believe it was a war between three different forms of world socialism. US/GB's soft socialism (the US's Great Deal as an example), Russia's hard socialism, and Germany's mystic/esoteric socialism. And yes there are people here in the States, that I know personally, who pay enough attention to history to understand that most of the war was really fought in western Russia/Prussia/Poland areas.

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I do hope that you understand that modern Russian  technology out trumps anything the USA currently has in its arsenal of weapons.


I disagree with you there, not out of "but this is Merica!" just the thought of the UFOs and the electro-magnetic research from back in the day that was disappeared, by those who want to keep it secret. What the world knows about the mainstream militaries of both countries is far behind what both actually posses.

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Let us hear their answers before we assume that Putin is somehow worse than the other players in this game of thrones.


You're definitely correct. Putin isn't any worse or better than the other players, but we gotta know where he comes from in order to find where he stands in the continuous push towards "the great work" by all players.
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Re: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
« Reply #8 on: Aug 09, 2017, 07:34:49 pm »
 

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President Putin banned Rotschild last year from Russia ? What you think about that ?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/putin-kicks-usurious-rothschilds-out-russiacheckmates-zafar-khalidhttp://
 

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 10, 2017, 04:40:36 am »
 

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Poseidonlost,

I am happy to know that some Americans know their history about the Russian allies in WW2,
but in my thinking, "some" still does not mean "most."
And I would guess that the folks who know are our ages, if not older,
certainly not the millennials or snowflakes who will be running the USA in the all too near future.

RE: Secret military "spacecraft" et al, I do agree that this exists.
My evidence is purely anecdotal,
as I was an investigator for MUFON back before X FILES became popular,
(Phoenix plays Cyndy Lauper's "She's So Unusual " in the background)
and all the cases that I was called to investigate
occurred within a 5 to 10 mile radius of the Willow Grove Air Force base in Pennsylvania.
The only man who claimed alien abduction was definitely schizophrenic by my standards of education,
but I still lean towards believing the Roswell Incident was real.

RE: advanced Russian Technology,
recently the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea was disabled,
"left dead in the water"
by a Russian aircraft ECM,
that is, electronic warfare.

The USA may have really slick alien-like aircraft,
but I do believe that a technology that disables them is just a wee bit more sophisticated.
Perhaps the USa has it also but is keeping it secret in order to unload all those old missiles to countries surrounding the Russian border.
After all, if they knew the USA had it, they'd all want it !

The US military has yet to come up with a plausible explanation for this event re the USS Donald Cook.

But hey !
I don't mind admitting I am wrong.

This little "what if" disagreement just stretches our minds re; additional possibilities !

All the best,

Phoenix     ;)
 

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 10, 2017, 04:46:39 am »
 

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Al Bundy,

  Mr Putin may have thrown out George Soros' companies and his friends,
but recently it has been reported that he is discussing international baking and/ or industrial plans with some of the other bad guys.

I do not remember their names off the top of my head, and EG is busy, so i will get back to you later  with more accurate details.

Talk to you soon,

Phoenix
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 10, 2017, 06:49:41 am »
 

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Dear Mr Bundy and poseidonlost,


And who is pulling Mr Putin's strings?
Could it be the same puppet-masters ?

There is a topic with exactly this headline on PPF.

As I know, none are " pulling Mr Putin`s strings ".

If so, Putin would recognize the unilateral secession of Kosovo and accept the US "proposals" to abolish Republic of Srpska as an ethnic entity in Bosnia and Herzegovina.


"Accidentally" during the 2008 Summer Olympics, the US encouraged its puppet in Georgia - Mikhail Saakashvili to attack the Russian peacekeeping force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Putin was not asleep but "walked" with the Russian Army throughout Georgia while Saakashvili prayed "his Western allies" for armed aid. From the US, this "American Quisling" was a temporary exile in the West, and the question of the time when J. Osetia and Abkhazia would join Russia and when Saakashvili would be in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ02MlVRcMA




2011. Putin was very angry over the destruction of Libya and the torture of the assassination of President Colonel Gaddafi, the most responsible President of France Sarkozy with the help of the US and British navies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

Next is Ukraine.


 

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 10, 2017, 12:38:20 pm »
 

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Mr Bundy,

I have not wandered over to PPF since I left in disgust after warning all the readers there that Trump was a "Trickster"
similar to the Nose god Loki,
a "shape-shifter"
able to play many different roles in order to deceive the people.

I thought that this was a pretty provocative comment to make,
but NOT ONE PERSON RESPONDED to this challenge.
Not a peep.

For me, that forum was DEAD.

That I should come up with the same title as a thread  or a post over in that morgue is mere coincidence...
but I tend NOT to believe in coincidences,
preferring to think of such events as a form of intuition.

But let me be brief (for a change LOL)
and state that I do not dislike Mr Putin.
In many ways I admire him.
And I am not a Communist.
But I do think he is a far more competent statesman than the current PREZ.
In fact, to compare them as statesmen seems ridiculous to me.
Kinda like comparing apples with snakes.

Mr Putin, I admire your ability to sidestep all the traps that Hillary, Obama, and now Trump's administration are laying out  for you.
I know you will never give up Kalingrad, your only warm water port in the Baltic Sea.,
an area once owned by Lithuania.
I've driven past there several times.
I  have seen how  strategically important it is to your country's security.

Mr Putin, I admire your patience, your continual willingness to negotiate, and your ability to draw a line in the sand.
I admire your stamina and intelligence,
your sophistication in geopolitics.
I bet you play a mean game of chess in all 10 dimensions known to physicists.

And being in the KGB does not worry me one bit.
Mr Putin, your previous employment shows me that you know how to play the games necessary to survive
in a world of deception.
Shows me you know how to survive

I trust you more than I trust a trickster who betrays his supporters and doesn't give a dam what the people think,
as long as his creditors don't call in his loans.
Let  the current PREZ  play the role of a billionaire who thinks he cannot be bought.
Money is not the only currency in this world.
Shows me you know how to survive, to play the games necessary to do so.
It is worth fighting for, despite the USA provoking you with all these missiles aimed at your country's borders.

Maybe I have lived too long, been through too many international crises, wars, false flags so that I am a bit jaded.
It is difficult for me to believe that in this current world
anyone can become a politician without big money behind them.

 

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« Reply #13 on: Aug 10, 2017, 12:59:33 pm »
 

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Mr Bundy,

I have not wandered over to PPF since I left in disgust after warning all the readers there that Trump was a "Trickster"
similar to the Nose god Loki,
a "shape-shifter"
able to play many different roles in order to deceive the people.

I thought that this was a pretty provocative comment to make,
but NOT ONE PERSON RESPONDED to this challenge.
Not a peep.

For me, that forum was DEAD.

That I should come up with the same title as a thread  or a post over in that morgue is mere coincidence...
but I tend NOT to believe in coincidences,
preferring to think of such events as a form of intuition.

But let me be brief (for a change LOL)
and state that I do not dislike Mr Putin.
In many ways I admire him.
And I am not a Communist.
But I do think he is a far more competent statesman than the current PREZ.
In fact, to compare them as statesmen seems ridiculous to me.
Kinda like comparing apples with snakes.

Mr Putin, I admire your ability to sidestep all the traps that Hillary, Obama, and now Trump's administration are laying out  for you.
I know you will never give up Kalingrad, your only warm water port in the Baltic Sea.,
an area once owned by Lithuania.
I've driven past there several times.
I  have seen how  strategically important it is to your country's security.

Mr Putin, I admire your patience, your continual willingness to negotiate, and your ability to draw a line in the sand.
I admire your stamina and intelligence,
your sophistication in geopolitics.
I bet you play a mean game of chess in all 10 dimensions known to physicists.

And being in the KGB does not worry me one bit.
Mr Putin, your previous employment shows me that you know how to play the games necessary to survive
in a world of deception.
Shows me you know how to survive

I trust you more than I trust a trickster who betrays his supporters and doesn't give a dam what the people think,
as long as his creditors don't call in his loans.
Let  the current PREZ  play the role of a billionaire who thinks he cannot be bought.
Money is not the only currency in this world.
Shows me you know how to survive, to play the games necessary to do so.
It is worth fighting for, despite the USA provoking you with all these missiles aimed at your country's borders.

Maybe I have lived too long, been through too many international crises, wars, false flags so that I am a bit jaded.
It is difficult for me to believe that in this current world
anyone can become a politician without big money behind them.

Of course that "big money is behind" V.P.  But that big money is not come from Wall Street and other banksters or Russian or Jewish oligarchs in exile. Or from US government agencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/28/national-endowment-for-democracy-banned-russiahttp://

P.S. Putin is not Communist. Real Communist Party of Russian Federation is opposition to President Putin.
 
 

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 10, 2017, 03:35:44 pm »
 

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President Putin banned Rotschild last year from Russia ? What you think about that ?


Great news. I'm just a very skeptical person and not going to call Putin the slayer of the NWO or something. I plan on looking into him more. I do like him, but there's always a catch. And that article is not the best.

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And I would guess that the folks who know are our ages, if not older,
certainly not the millennials or snowflakes who will be running the USA in the all too near future.


What's "our ages"?  ;D Y'all don't get too down on us millennials; we're not ALL like that. I do remember the days before the internet and a computer in every home though. Even used typewriters and encyclopedias and choked on second-hand smoke in elevators when I was young.

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This little "what if" disagreement just stretches our minds re; additional possibilities !

All the best,


That's what keeps us on our toes. Always be ready to reconsider and think about what you already know. There was a time in my life when I would cheer us on while watching us bomb other countries.  :-\
My mind had to stretch a bit to get out of that eventually. And thinking Putin is a good guy because of some public good acts, could get you stuck in a rut. Just saying.
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Today in book-stores and newsstands in Serbia on sale book of American film director Oliver Stone "The Putin interviews". Pages:250. Prize: 6 $





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