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Brexit deal may not be put to MPs until late March
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Brexit deal may not be put to MPs until late March, officials say
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/theresa-may-juncker-clash-brexit-robush-backstop





'The Brexit negotiations are being pushed to the brink by Theresa May and the EU, with any last-minute offer by Brussels on the Irish backstop expected to be put to MPs just days before the UK is due to leave.

In strained talks on Thursday, during which Donald Tusk suggested that Jeremy Corbyn’s plan could help resolve the Brexit crisis, Theresa May and the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, agreed to hold the next face-to-face talks by the end of February.

That move cuts deep into the remaining time, piling pressure on the British parliament to then accept what emerges or face a no-deal scenario. It is understood that EU officials are looking at offering May a detailed plan of what a potential technological solution to the Irish border might look like, which could be included in the legally non-binding political declaration on the future trade deal.

The blueprint would pinpoint the problem areas and commit to breaching the technical gaps where possible to offer an alternative to the customs union envisaged in the withdrawal agreement’s Irish backstop.

But officials believe it is increasingly likely that any renegotiated deal will only be put to the Commons at the end of March, necessitating even then an extension of the article 50 negotiating period to get legislation through parliament.'

On Thursday the German finance commissioner, Günther Hermann Oettinger, suggested the chance of a no-deal Brexit was now as high as 60%.'



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening
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Back May’s deal, then hold people’s vote: plan to end Brexit deadlock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/back-theresa-may-brexit-deal-then-hold-peoples-vote-backbencher-plan





'Theresa May could win parliament’s approval for her controversial Brexit deal in return for guaranteeing another referendum, under a new plan being drawn up by a cross-party group of MPs. The new vote would give the British people a simple choice: to confirm the decision or stay in the EU.

The initiative, aimed at breaking the political impasse, is being advanced by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and has won the support of prominent Remainers in the Tory party including Sarah Wollaston, Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry.

Kyle says the idea, which is likely to be put forward as an amendment to the EU withdrawal bill, is also being taken seriously by “people at a high level in government” as a potential way to resolve the Brexit crisis. The amendment would offer all MPs the chance to support, or abstain on, the withdrawal bill and would specify that, if passed, the decision would be implemented on the condition it was put to the public for approval in a second referendum.

If the amendment passed through parliament but the deal was rejected in the subsequent referendum, the UK would stay in the EU under current arrangements.

If, however, the British people confirmed the decision of MPs to leave the EU under the terms of May’s deal, Brexit on these terms would immediately come into effect without any need for it to return to parliament.'



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European elections: Anti-EU populists set to win enough seats to gain influence and ‘paralyse’ bloc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/european-elections-2019-eurosceptic-far-right-juncker-foreign-policy-eurozone-a8773531.html


'The growth of anti-EU parties in the European Parliament elections in May could “paralyse” the bloc in a range of policy areas, a stark report seen by The Independent has warned.

Nationalist, eurosceptic, and far-right parties could bring about a “qualitative change” in the union after winning a third of seats, according to the European Council on Foreign Relations, a pro-EU think tank.

The result would give the populists significant influence in the union and the ability to block some legislation, says the study, which is set to be released on Tuesday. The parties would be able to appoint the chairs of a third of European Parliament (EP) committees and block the body from triggering so-called “Article 7” procedures against rogue member states that flout the rule of law – as it did with Viktor Orban’s Hungary last year.

Even more significantly, unless all the other political groups consistently vote together, populists might also be able to block the election of the next European Commission president to replace Jean-Claude Juncker, shape EU law, and influence the union’s budget.

The Eurosceptic votes could also help derail already controversial international agreements – such as a possible free trade deal with a post-Brexit UK.



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening
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UK will deploy drone squadron after Brexit, says defence secretary
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/uk-will-deploy-drone-squadrons-after-brexit-says-defence-secretary-gavin-williamson


'The British defence secretary has revealed plans to invest £7m in a swarm squadron of drones theoretically capable of jamming enemy air defences, in a bellicose speech in which he spelled out how the UK could “enhance its lethality” after Brexit.

Gavin Williamson said he wanted the RAF to form a new “concept unit” composed of hundreds of small flying craft, although some experts in the field questioned whether the technology described existed yet.

The UK would “develop swarm squadrons of network-enabled drones capable of confusing and overwhelming enemy air defences”, Williamson said, and he promised to have them “ready to be deployed by the end of this year”. Information about Williamson’s plans was scant beyond a few remarks contained in a speech intended to present Brexit as an opportunity to “strengthen our global presence, enhance our lethality and increase our mass”.

One expert, Chris Cole, from Drone Wars UK, an NGO that monitors the use of armed drones, said he thought the defence secretary had overblown the idea. The idea of swarm drones was “very much at the concept stage, and it’s very unlikely he can meet the deadline of the end of the year,” he said.

The MoD indicated the exact design had not yet been tendered for, although insiders said the new drone unit would be used to locate radar and missile systems from countries such as Russia and China, and allow British or other aircraft to avoid or destroy them.'



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EU will dissolve like Soviet Union unless Europeans ‘wake up’, George Soros warns
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'The “sleeping pro-Europe majority” must “wake up” before the EU goes the way of the Soviet Union, billionaire George Soros has warned, adding that Europe’s political parties must give the bloc’s interests first priority.

Pro-EU political parties must rally support ahead of crucial European Parliament elections in May, the Hungarian-American businessman and controversial influencer wrote in an op-ed published by Project Syndicate.

The bloc is “sleepwalking into oblivion” and could soon meet the same end as the Soviet Union, Soros prophesized. In order to avoid catastrophe, he argued, right-minded political parties must resist the lure of EU skepticism sweeping across the continent and “put Europe’s interests ahead of their own.” He chastised Germany’s ruling coalition for not being adequately pro-EU out of fear of losing votes to the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD), while praising the German Greens for being “the only consistently pro-European party in the country.” The outspoken opponent of Brexit suggested that it wasn’t too late for the UK to hold another referendum, “or, even better, for revoking Britain’s Article 50 notification” – advocacy which appears to clash with Soros’ self-declared affinity for democracy. In the UK, the billionaire has been sharply criticized for forking over £800,000 (US$1,062,000) to pro-EU campaigns, including £400,000 to Best for Britain, a campaign group that has been at the forefront of anti-Brexit activism.

On the topic of Italy, Soros chided the EU for “strictly enforcing” an agreement “which unfairly burdens countries like Italy where migrants first enter the EU.” As a result, the massive influx of migrants into Europe has transformed the once pro-EU Italy into a bastion of populism, Soros lamented.

Curiously, he failed to mention that he is a leading champion of the EU’s open-door migrant policy – a policy which is directly responsible for Italy being swamped with asylum seekers.

Addressing Soros’ arch-nemesis – the Hungarian government under Prime Minister Viktor Orban – the billionaire businessman said that trans-European alliances must show more backbone and not be “dictated by party leaders’ self-interest.”'



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening - "Peoples Vote"
« Reply #381 on: Feb 14, 2019, 06:30:06 am »
 

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Labour MPs warn Corbyn: back a second referendum or we quit
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/13/labour-mp-submits-plan-for-referendum-on-brexit-deal





'Jeremy Corbyn faces up to 10 resignations from the Labour frontbench if he fails to throw his party’s weight behind a fresh attempt to force Theresa May to submit her Brexit deal to a referendum in a fortnight’s time, frustrated MPs are warning.

With tension mounting among anti-Brexit Labour MPs and grassroots members, several junior shadow ministers have told the Guardian they are prepared to resign their posts if Corbyn doesn’t whip his MPs to vote for a pro-referendum amendment at the end of the month.

Corbyn has been struggling to balance the conflicting forces in his party over Brexit, as the clock ticks down towards exit day on 29 March. Many party members and MPs would like him to take a lead in seeking to block Brexit before time runs out – but some frontbenchers are equally adamant they could never support a referendum.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the Unite union and a close ally of Corbyn, risked stoking the conflict in the party on Wednesday when he argued that stopping Brexit was “not the best option for our nation”.

“My view is that, having had a 2016 referendum where the people have voted to come out of the EU, to try and deflect away from that threatens the whole democratic fabric on which we operate,” he told Peston on ITV. “I’m saying that in reality it is not the best option for our nation.”

The party’s conference policy, thrashed out in a late-night meeting chaired by the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, suggests that if it has failed to secure a general election “Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote”.'



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening - Lisbon Treaty
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The Lisbon Treaty: 26 reasons why we must leave the EU before it is too late
By John Brindley - Staff Author
http://davidicke.com/article/521872/lisbon-treaty-26-reasons-must-leave-eu-late






THE Democracy Defined Restoration Campaign has released devastating information on what they say will happen to the United Kingdom if it remains in the European Union when the Lisbon Treaty comes into force next year.

Whilst some of this may well be disputed, this explains why public focus is currently being directed on the possible implications of Brexit and away from the Orwellian future being prepared for Britain should our politicians continue to cave in to pressure to ignore the 2016 referendum result

We suggest that you pour yourself a stiff drink before reading on. The following information is likely to lead to intense blood boiling throughout the nation.



1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or vetoes being allowed.

2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon Treaty with no exceptions or vetoes.

3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4: The London Stock Exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU Stock Exchange, resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation.
(This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member and it is full steam ahead for the move.)

5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.

6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the unelected EU Commission and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.

7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.

8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.

9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.

10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights

11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

13: The UK loses control of its Planning Legislation

14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent

15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy

16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth

18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, etc

19: The UK loses control of its judicial system

20: The UK loses control of its international policy

21: The UK loses control of its national policy

22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program

24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction

25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty

26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of £1.2 billion pa and by £2.3 billion p.a. by 2020
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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening - May defeated on Brexit again
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Theresa May defeated on Brexit again as ERG Tories abstain
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/14/theresa-may-defeated-on-brexit-again-as-erg-tories-abstain





'Theresa May has suffered an embarrassing defeat at the hands of hardline Eurosceptics, plunging her hopes of uniting the Conservatives around a renegotiated Brexit deal into chaos.

The prime minister failed to win support for her EU strategy after the European Research Group (ERG), led by Jacob Rees-Mogg, abstained on a government motion because it appeared to rule out a no-deal Brexit.

The defeat marks the end of a temporary truce over Brexit among Conservative MPs, who had voted last month in favour of May’s strategy if she could obtain some concessions from Brussels on the issue of the Northern Ireland backstop. The prime minister was not present for the House of Commons defeat, by 303 votes to 258, in which she again lost control of her party in the crucial final weeks before Britain is due to leave the EU on 29 March.

It is likely to cause fresh doubt in Brussels that May has the power to win parliament’s support for an amended EU withdrawal agreement. The Eurosceptic refusal to cooperate with No 10 underlined the difficulty the prime minister is likely to face in securing concessions from the EU that will satisfy them.

In Brussels, diplomats said the result confirmed that the prime minister was incapable of commanding the support of her party on key votes, and that she needed to work cross-party. “No one can take any good from this,” said one diplomat.

The vote is not binding but it appeared to be a show of strength by around 60 MPs in the ERG, which included Boris Johnson, the former foreign secretary; Dominic Raab, the former Brexit secretary; and Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister. A small number of pro-EU MPs also refused to back the motion.'



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening
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Brexit: Theresa May heads to Brussels in hope of breaking deadlock with new plan
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-brussels-new-plan-deadlock-eu-latest-tory-a8787396.html





'Theresa May will fly to Brussels on Wednesday with new plans to change Britain’s EU withdrawal agreement, as she desperately tries to save her Brexit strategy.

The prime minister arrives in Belgium with a stack of legal papers setting out how she believes negotiators can tweak the “Irish backstop” hated by Tory backbenchers.

Ms May also managed to maintain the support of Brexiteers in her own party by promising to make some of their proposals the basis for future discussions on trade with the EU. Her latest trip to the Belgian capital will see Ms May have a significant meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker, although the European Commission president poured cold water on the idea that it would lead to a major breakthrough at this point.

If there is progress, Ms May could decide to attend a summit at the Egyptian resort of Sharm-el-Sheikh on Sunday, where she would have the chance to win approval for any changes from Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron.

That would allow her to show MPs she is making progress in her strategy, before going into a further set of critical votes in the House of Commons next week.'



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37 days until Brexit, why are UK politicians defecting?
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Corbyn insists 2nd Referendum is central to Labour's agenda
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Corbyn insists second referendum is central to Labour's agenda
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/21/starmer-pm-is-running-down-clock-so-mps-only-get-binary-choice


'Jeremy Corbyn has sought to heal divisions in his fractured party by insisting that a second referendum is central to Labour’s agenda.

Following meetings with senior EU officials in Brussels, the Labour leader called for the prime minister to back a customs union in order to build a Commons majority for the Brexit deal.

He told reporters that his discussions with EU officials confirmed that Labour’s proposals, which include having a say in the bloc’s trade policy, were “credible”.

But Corbyn insisted that the option of holding a second referendum, should May fail to back a close economic partnership with the EU, remained “very much part of the agenda put forward by the Labour party”. The seven former Labour MPs who split from the party on Monday to form the Independent Group in the Commons all back a second referendum, and have attacked Corbyn for his perceived “betrayal” over Europe.

Corbyn had proposed last month for the Commons to vote on two options – its alternative Brexit plan and whether to legislate “to hold a public vote on a deal”.

Speaking in Brussels, he said that the option of a second vote would remain key to Labour’s strategy for next Wednesday, when the Commons is set to vote again on the Brexit options.

“We will put a motion to parliament, as I have already,” Corbyn said. “Keir Starmer and I have put a motion to parliament, which included the option of a popular vote to confirm otherwise agreements that have been reached. That was rejected by parliament at that stage. Clearly it is very much part of the agenda put forward by the Labour party.”

Labour is currently internally debating an amendment proposed by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson under which the party would back May’s current deal on the condition it was put to the public for approval in a second referendum.'



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Juncker says he is not 'optimistic' of a Brexit deal after latest meeting with May as backstop talks continue in Brussels
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'Jean-Claude Juncker warned today he was not 'optimistic' of a Brexit deal following his latest talks with Theresa May.

The EU Commission President held his latest meeting with Mrs May last night and the pair issued a joint statement on the urgency of the process.

Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox are due back in Brussels today to continue work on the Irish border backstop.

But Mr Juncker claimed today he had 'Brexit fatigue' and suggested the talks were making little progress.

The intervention comes after it was claimed Michael Gove and Philip Hammond have clashed again over no deal. He said: 'Brexit is deconstruction, it is not construction. Brexit is the past, it is not the future,' he said.

'If a no-deal would happen - and I can't exclude this - this would have terrible economic and social consequences, both in Britain and on the continent, and so my efforts orient in a way that the worst can be avoided.

'But I am not very optimistic when it comes to this issue.'

With just 36 days to go the Environment Secretary is said to have accused the Chancellor of failing to properly prepare Britain for no deal.

Mr Hammond insisted today the Government had taken the necessary precautions but was still committed to leaving the EU with a deal.

Two sources told The Telegraph that there had been a 'heated' row between Mr Hammond and Mr Gove.

Mr Gove is said to have raised concerns about whether there will be enough ferry capacity to transport food and medicines in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The argument is said to have happened during a Cabinet committee discussions yesterday.'



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Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening - Lisbon Treaty
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The Lisbon Treaty: 26 reasons why we must leave the EU before it is too late
By John Brindley - Staff Author
http://davidicke.com/article/521872/lisbon-treaty-26-reasons-must-leave-eu-late



Oh man..that article is so bad. It's not as if it got one or two things wrong, or that it embellished a little here and there; it is a list of total lies, and in many cases completely absurd lies.

This is a big part of the general problem: legitimate criticism of the EU, and Lisbon Treaty in particular, is undermined by this sort of obviously ridiculous crap. It is so bad that it might be deliberate disinfo and designed to be exposed.

I was going to post a point by point rebuttal of this stupid garbage but 'someone' already has:

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-brexity-lies-that-have-gone-mega.html?m=1


Point 1: Loss of abstention veto (lie)

There is no abstention veto to lose. No country has ever been able to torpedo EU legislation just by abstaining. Unsurprisingly it's always necessary to actually vote against legislation in order to stop it. So the only people who could be upset about point 1 are those who don't understand the structures of the EU, or even just how voting works in general, meaning they fear the UK losing a right they never actually had.

Here's an article detailing how voting in the European Council actually works if you're interested.

Point 2. Federalisation (lie)

The Lisbon Treaty does not introduce EU federalisation. In order for that to happen the EU member states would have to agree a new treaty to extend the powers of the EU.

Voting on treaties is very different to the European Council voting system. Treaties must be agreed by all member states unanimously, so if a treaty enforcing federalisation of all member states is proposed, all member states must vote in favour of it.

This has not happened, and will not happen.

3. Accept the Euro by 2022 (lie)

If you mindlessly believe this copy n' paste thread all member states will be forced to join the Euro by 2022. If you believed the Daily Telegraph in 2014 all member states would be forced to join the Euro by 2020. If you believed the Daily Express in 2017 all member states would be forced to join the Euro by 2025.

Why do they all use different dates? Because they're making it up, but this Facebook propaganda thread is particularly bad because it outright lies that the Lisbon Treaty forces member states to join the Euro when it does no such thing.

4. Moving the London stock exchange to Frankfurt (lie)

How utterly gullible would you have to be to actually believe that the EU could force the London stock exchange to move to Germany through the Lisbon Treaty?

The origin for this lie is the proposed merger between the London and Frankfurt stock exchanges that was eventually blocked by the EU competition regulator!

If you are worried about British-based financial services moving overseas, then you should be absolutely horrified by Brexit, which has already caused a mass exodus of capital ($1 trillion in assets) and thousands of financial services jobs to other countries that remain in the EU.

Even Tory Brextremist Jacob Rees-Mogg has joined the exodus by shifting his investment fund to Ireland in order to keep a foot in the Single Market!

5. Supremacy of European Parliament and ECJ (lie)

This point relies on a crass misunderstanding of what the ECJ (European Court of Justice) is, and how powers can be shared between different legislative bodies (consider the federal and state governments in the United States, and how state law can over-rule federal law on all manner of issues such as cannabis legalisation).

A good example of how they've got this so wrong is to consider the December 2018 ECJ ruling that found that the UK Parliament has the sovereign democratic right to revoke Article 50, and that the European Parliament or any of the other EU institutions can do absolutely nothing to tinker with the UK's terms of membership as a punishment for the three year farce we've put them through.

The ECJ actually ruled that the UK parliament is sovereign and that there's nothing any of the EU institutions can do about it, yet somehow, according to this copy n' paste fear-list they're the enemy to be feared and despised!

6. Abolish parliament! (lie)

The nasty EU and ECJ are going to force the UK to accept everything they say so we might as well abolish the House of Commons and the House of Lords!

In reality EU legislation only makes up 13% of UK law (even after decades of integration), so even if we completely accept the ludicrous proposition that the UK would be forced to accept 100% of EU law, then there's still the other 87% of UK law for parliament to concentrate on.

Even if this fear-mongering nonsense were true, why on earth would it mean that parliament would cease to exist as we know it? It's a complete non sequitur.

7. No trade deals (absurdity)

The threat that the Lisbon Treaty somehow rules out Britain's future ability to make trade deals is absolutely absurd because this isn't some future threat, it's the actual current state of affairs.

The EU Single Market is the single largest trading block on the planet which gives it enormous power to craft trade deals to its own advantage. All of the individual states that decided to join made the decision to give up their ability to make their own trade deals in return for access to the Single Market and the advantage of pooled negotiating power.

Repurposing the actual current state of affairs as a terrifying future threat is an extraordinary tactic, and it just goes to show how gullible people can be that the tens of thousands to have shared this nonsense didn't even notice that they were being directed to fear the introduction of what is actually the norm, and has been for decades.

8. No trade tariffs (absurdity)

This is basically just a reiteration of the previous point to present the current state of affairs as a terrifying future threat. Trade tariffs are decided communally by the EU. If it didn't work like this the Single Market and Customs Union couldn't exist in their current form.

9. No trade quotas (absurdity)

Another reiteration of the same idiotic effort to present the current state of affairs as a terrifying future threat.

10. Loss of fishing rights (lie)

EU member states will lose control of their fishing rights in 2020. It's hard to tell where this lie even stems from. It's got nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty, that's for sure.

There are EU plans to improve sustainable fishing practices in 2020 in order to prevent the depletion of fishing stocks (the next step after the abandonment of discards in 2015), but these plans actually introduce more regionalisation, and more stakeholder consultation. Anyone who tries to present these sustainability plans as a loss of all fishing rights is simply lying through their teeth.

11. Loss of oil and gas rights (lie)

There is absolutely nothing in the Lisbon Treaty forcing member states to give up their oil and gas rights. In fact this complaint is so loosely worded that it's not even clear what it means. Are they trying to say that the exploration rights are to be given up? The territorial rights? The rights to collect tax revenues on oil industry profits? The right to assign oil industry revenues to national GDP?

It's just naked fear-mongering about the nasty EU taking what is "ours". The contentiousness of this point should be obvious to all Scottish people given that the UK government has essentially forced Scotland to give up its oil and gas rights so that tax revenues on oil industry profits are seized by London.

Essentially this "loss of oil and gas rights" argument makes a much better case in favour of Scottish independence, than it does against the EU!

12. Forced entry into Schengen (lie)

Only six member states are outside the Schengen zone: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the UK.

There are no plans to force member states to join the Schengen free travel area by 2022, and definitely not in the Lisbon Treaty. In fact the only reference to forced Schengen acceptance anywhere is a 2017 article in the Daily Express based on a load of fear-mongering nonsense about how the EU might punish Britain if it cancels Brexit (punishment the December 2018 ECJ ruling declared unlawful should the UK parliament decide to revoke Article 50).

Perhaps the original author of this copy n' paste propaganda mistook their copy of the Daily Express for the Lisbon Treaty?

13. Loss of control of planning legislation (lie)

Town and city planning is not an EU competence. This means they don't set planning rules for member states. Sometimes EU laws impact national planning legislation (stuff like air pollution laws) but the idea that the nasty EU superstate is going to take over your local council planning office is so absurd it's extraordinary that people actually believe this nonsense.

14. Loss of armed forces and nuclear weapons (lie)

The EU does not have an army and any decision to create an EU army would have to be made unanimously. Many member states remain steadfastly opposed to the idea. Additionally there is absolutely nothing in the Lisbon Treaty forcing the creation of an EU army, forcing member states to give up their own armies, or compelling member states to hand over their nuclear weapons (in the case of the two member states that actually have them).

The Lisbon Treaty doesn't even mention the creation of an EU army. All it mentions is a the framing of common defence and security policies, which means cooperation between EU states on issues like combating terrorism (do we want to share intelligence on terrorist threats with our European allies or not?) mutual defence (if you don't like that idea you should hate NATO).

One of the most absurd things about this threat that "the EU are going to steal our nukes" is that they've already been stolen. In 1997 the Tory government privatised Trident into the hands of a consortium which is now run by three private companies, two US-based (Jacobs Engineering & Lockheed Martin) and one UK-based (Serco).

Imagine the detachment from reality it would take to be horrified and outraged about an entirely fictional threat that "the EU are going to steal our nukes", but 100% relaxed about the observable reality that our nukes are actually being run by a bunch of private corporations!

15. Loss of taxation policy (lie)

According to this point the EU is supposedly planning to revoke member states' ability to form their own taxation policies at some point in the near future.

Why member states would ever allow that to happen is not explained. Neither is the section of the Lisbon Treaty that supposedly proposes this radical policy (exactly like all of the other 26 points).

What kind of cognitively illiterate idiot believes the assertion the the EU is going to unilaterally take over all member states' taxation policies based on absolutely no evidence whatever?

16. Loss of national law (lie)

Again, what kind of idiot just believes that the EU is going to be able to prevent member states from creating their own laws with no evidence whatever?

Which member states would vote in favour of a treaty to abolish the legislative role of their own parliaments?

Somehow we're expected to believe that all of the nations of the EU are so stupid that they'd vote to abolish themselves!

17 The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth (lie)

Again, there's no reference to any specific legislation here. People are just expected to unquestioningly accept the vague assertion that the UK must lose standing in the Commonwealth, and this loss of standing has something to do with the Lisbon Treaty (which doesn't even mention the Commonwealth in the entire text).

Talk about assuming your audience to be a bunch of idiots!

18. Loss of British overseas territories (lie)

Not only does this point fail to explain how this supposed loss of British Overseas Territories like the Falklands, Gibraltar, and Cayman Islands has anything to do with the EU or the Lisbon Treaty, it doesn't even explain where the sovereignty of these territories is transferred to. Do they become independent states, vassal states of the EU, or do they just get erased from existence by some kind of space laser?

It's just another reiteration of the nasty EU bully boy stealing our toys, but the author is lagging now so they can't even be arsed to explain it any more, we're just expected to believe it because they set themselves up as an authority figure at the beginning with their claim to have read the Lisbon Treaty (a document that doesn't even mention the British Overseas Territories).

19. Loss of control of judicial system (lie)

What does the claim that "the UK loses control of its judicial system" even mean?

The British judicial system isn't just one entity, it's divided into three different systems (Scottish Law, Northern Ireland Law, English and Welsh Law). All of these three systems are necessarily independent from government control. The idea of government appointed judges is the terrifying stuff of totalitarianism.

So who "controls" the justice system in Britain now and by what means are the EU supposedly threatening to seize control of it for themselves?

And how does any of this fit in with the fact that the EU has been suing the Polish government in an effort to protect the independence of the Polish judiciary?

20 & 21 Loss of control of national and international policy (lies)

This is such a vague complaint it's difficult to figure out which section of the Lisbon Treaty supposedly enables this terrible power-grab by the EU bully-boys.

Like most of the crap in this list, concerns over national and international policy are already covered by points 6 and 16 that wildly claimed that the EU would result in the abolition of parliament and the eradication of UK law.

How a country is supposed to develop "national policy" or "international policy" without a national parliament or national law is an interesting question. Or it would be if all of the claims weren't just fear-mongering bullshit with no basis in reality whatever.

22. Loss of nationhood (lie)

I'd really like to see the section of the Lisbon treaty that says that all member states lose their right to call themselves a nation in their own right.

It's easy to see that whoever compiled this list was badly running out of steam by this point, but the idea that the identities of member states would be completely erased is such lazy hyperbolic nonsense that anyone with the faintest grip on reality should have been laughing out loud at the idiocy of it by this point.

But somehow no! Somehow tens of thousands of people actually read this shit, believed it, wrote furious comments about it, and helped spread the transparently obvious lies even further by sharing it.

23. Loss of space exploration programme (lie)

The British Space Agency was established in 2010. It has a budget of £372 million, much of which is accounted for by Britain's investments in multinational collaborative projects like the Galileo Satellite Navigation system, the European Space Agency Subscriptions, and the EU Satellite Centre.

The European Space Agency has a budget of £5 billion, and by walking away from the EU the UK is going to lose access to this project, and the British Space Agency is going to be left as a deflated husk with no space programme at all.

There never was an EU plan to take over the British Space Agency, however by quitting the EU the Brexiteers are absolutely trashing Britain's space exploration potential.

There's so much wrong in this list of lies that it beggars belief, but like the financial services fear-mongering in point 4, this one is especially egregious in the way it completely reverses reality by addressing a subject which provides one of the strongest reasons against quitting the EU as a reason to quit the EU.

Just ask any astrophysicist (or scientist in general) if they think that Britain quitting the EU is going to be great news for British science and space exploration.

24. Loss of aviation and sea lane jurisdiction (lie)

Guess what. The Lisbon Treaty doesn't even mention aviation or shipping.

25. Loss of rebate (lie)

This lie is particularly easy to disprove. The Lisbon Treaty doesn't even mention the rebate, let alone set out a hard and fast expectations of increased contributions from member states.

As a result of the definitely-not-cancelled rebate the UK (population 66 million) still pays significantly less than Italy (population 60 million) for its EU membership!

The aforementioned ECJ ruling on Article 50 found that the EU couldn't punish the UK by cancelling the rebate, so even if we decide to stay in after pissing them about for three years, the rebate stays.

26. Dodgy financial calculations (lies)

The list finishes of with a list of dodgy unsourced calculations referring to the claim in point 25, and claiming vastly increased UK contributions to the EU budget.

It's unclear when the first iteration of this absurd list of lies was compiled, but the Lisbon Treaty came into effect in 2009, which was followed by a period in which the UK's contribution to the EU budget declined significantly between 2013 and 2017!

If the Lisbon Treaty did set out specific financial expectations of member states (it didn't) then they must have got their maths spectacularly wrong to demand an extra £billion+ year on year, only for the UK contribution to fall by well over £1 billion between 2013 and 2017.



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'Throughout his leadership of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn has disappointed some of his most ardent admirers by his refusal to hang tough. Yes, he has played many situations with canniness and subtlety, but too often he has been soft, appeased and conciliated where it is either unnecessary, or worse, entirely counter productive.

Too often he vows to “listen” to the problems of dissenting New Labour MPs, instead of asserting his authority. Too many times he has promised to “tackle antisemitism”, instead of bluntly telling everyone – “Labour is NOT antisemitic, this is a smear campaign”. Corbyn should know by now that he can’t win by playing their game by their rules. You can’t appease people who do not want to be appeased. You can’t clean up a smear campaign, and trying just spreads the smears further.

However, none of his previous mistakes compare to the kamikaze of backing a people’s vote on Brexit, a huge mistake that undermines the Labour movement from multiple angles.

Firstly, there is “The Independent Group” to consider – this is, essentially, a cave to their demands. Corbyn has now shown he will bow to threats of defection and the loss of eight entirely forgettable MPs. More than bowing to the pressure, he has handed them legitimacy. Before today The Independent Group was a joke – their launch fell flat, they are all variously personally compromised, they have no policies, no ideology, no leader and they are even registered as business, NOT a political party.

They should have been ignored, mocked even, but not taken seriously. This decision hands them power. A dreadful mistake, that breathes life into a New Labour movement that has been husking out its last moments ever since Corbyn was elected leader.'



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Oh man..that article is so bad. It's not as if it got one or two things wrong, or that it embellished a little here and there; it is a list of total lies, and in many cases completely absurd lies.

This is a big part of the general problem: legitimate criticism of the EU, and Lisbon Treaty in particular, is undermined by this sort of obviously ridiculous crap. It is so bad that it might be deliberate disinfo and designed to be exposed.

I was going to post a point by point rebuttal of this stupid garbage but 'someone' already has:

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-brexity-lies-that-have-gone-mega.html?m=1


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I agree that it has some quality issues, but the rebuttal is even worse. Because its 27 points long, I will just pick on the first point.


The Original :

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1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or vetoes being allowed.


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Point 1: Loss of abstention veto (lie)

There is no abstention veto to lose. No country has ever been able to torpedo EU legislation just by abstaining. Unsurprisingly it's always necessary to actually vote against legislation in order to stop it. So the only people who could be upset about point 1 are those who don't understand the structures of the EU, or even just how voting works in general, meaning they fear the UK losing a right they never actually had.

Here's an article detailing how voting in the European Council actually works if you're interested.
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The Truth is No fucking Veto allowed with Lisbon, in fact you need a minimum of 4 countries to attempt to block summat.
Which more accurately describes reality ?

A simple edit corrects the first description....

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1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention AND veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or vetoes being allowed.

Can the second version be corrected by a simple edit ?
Does the second version admit that the Veto is history ?
Are members allowed to abstain from a Vote ?



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'Theresa May has promised MPs the chance to reject a no-deal Brexit and possibly delay the departure date, while repeatedly declining to say whether or not she and the government would support such moves.

In a significant first concession that Brexit could take place after 29 March, following months of insistence the deadline could not be shifted, May sought to appease restive Conservative backbenchers, but prompted concern from pro-Brexit MPs.

In a sign of the continued uncertainty, the cross-party backers of a plan to be debated by MPs on Wednesday intended to prevent no deal said they would still table the amendment, pending further assurances from ministers. Jeremy Corbyn said the prime minister was yet again trying to run down the clock to pressure parliament into backing her deal, calling this “grotesquely reckless”.

Making a statement to the Commons after her talks with EU leaders in Egypt, May reiterated her pledge to give MPs a meaningful vote on a revised Brexit deal by 12 March.

If this did not happen or if it was voted down, then by 13 March MPs would be able to vote on a motion that would seek their “explicit consent” for a no-deal departure, the prime minister said.

If MPs voted against this, then on 14 March a motion would be put to the Commons offering the option of a “short, limited extension to article 50” beyond 29 March, which would need the approval of the EU.

The concession on the departure date follows intense pressure from remain-minded Conservatives, with a number of ministers having pledged to resign if necessary to avert the UK leaving the EU without a deal.'






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BREXIT VICTORY: UK secures WTO agreement - US praises ‘IMPORTANCE of Britain'
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'Britain is a member of the GPA, whose members open up their combined $1.7tn (£1.28tn) government procurement markets to each other's firms, by virtue of its EU membership. Diplomats agreed Britain's continuing membership post-Brexit in principle in November, saying few changes would be needed and GPA members had an interest in keeping Britain within the club. British Ambassador Julian Braithwaite said: “Today's decision underlines our determination to minimise any disruption, however we leave the European Union.”

He said the European Union, Montenegro and Switzerland had had to amend their own membership terms to ensure continuity.

Members of the agreement have to buy their way in by opening up their procurement markets sufficiently to persuade the rest of the club to reciprocate. The British Mission’s statement said membership would ensure “British taxpayers and public sector organisations, including government departments, continue to benefit from increased choice and value for money on contracts which are open to international competition”.

The statement said: “The agreement will continue to protect vital public services such as the NHS.”

There are 47 GPA members, including all EU countries.

Australia is joining and China wants to become a member.

Staying in the GPA is important so that British companies can bid for government work in the United States, the European Union and Japan, and their firms can retain access to Britain's procurement market.'



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'A £2,000-a--year pay rise for MPs sparked a furious backlash last night.

The inflation-busting 2.7 per cent increase, which was announced by the Whitehall quango in charge of pay and expenses, will take basic annual salaries to nearly £80,000.

It means MPs have seen their wages go up by more than 20 per cent in the past seven years.

The announcement provoked fury as critics said politicians should not get more money until they had sorted out Brexit.

There was further anger after it emerged that less well-paid parliamentary staff – who work in MPs’ offices – are likely to receive an increase of just 1.5 per cent. Decisions on pay rises were taken out of the hands of MPs after the expenses scandal and handed to the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa).

The increase is now linked to the average rise in public sector pay. But critics said MPs did not deserve it and accused Ipsa bosses of being out of touch.

John Longworth, a pro-Leave campaigner and former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said: ‘My view is they shouldn’t be getting a pay rise until they’ve sorted out Brexit.'



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THE WORD ‘Brexit’ is a mind control programme. Pure and simple.

It is understood as leaving the European Union but subconsciously acts as a prohibition.

Ask yourself this: what words come into your mind when you think of the word ‘Brexit’?

Confusion, anger, division, uncertainty, leaving, never ending, sick and tired.

Those are my answers and I’m someone who is very keen on Britain leaving the EU once and for all.

So how does this work?

First thing to note is that there is enormous power in words.  When we say we ‘spell’ words, we are referring literally to their magical power.

Note that prior to the referendum on June 23 2016 there was barely a mention of ‘Brexit’.

At that time the focus of debate was on our experience of living in the European Union. There were some intoxicating positive sound bites such as ‘taking back control’, ‘sovereignty’ and ‘making our own laws’ but the main reasons we voted to Leave were, in my view, negative.

The key issues included immigration, fears of a growing lack of control in our lives and a perception that it would get still worse in years to come.

We looked at what was happening there and then around us including an ever growing and unpredictable population and the strains on our housing, NHS and other public services and voted for ‘change’.

Obviously, I’m generalising as each individual voter has his or her own thoughts but I’m sure you get where I’m coming from.

But what has happened since the referendum is that the debate has been subtly – or not so subtly – turned on its head.

No longer do we talk so much about the EU or what is happening all around us. All that has been put on hold. The only issue is ‘Brexit’, ‘Brexit’ and more bloody ‘Brexit’. See what I mean?

Now the angst has been turned away from the EU and all its faults and onto leaving, or more accurately, the process of leaving.

Prime Minister Theresa May is a clever woman. We don’t always appreciate it that, particularly as she currently appears to be constantly banging her head against a brick wall to try to get her deal through.

But she knows exactly what she is doing – and it’s not what you think.

What did she say from the very beginning? ‘Brexit means Brexit’…..

We took that as a reassurance that she was committed to taking us out of the EU but hold on a minute. Let’s consider that phrase more literally.

All she is saying is ‘Brexit’, which is in essence a negative, means ‘Brexit’.  In other words, it means no more than leaving. There’s no sense of the positive in that. She isn’t referring to more appealing concepts such as ‘independence’, ‘freedom’ or ‘sovereignty’ just getting us to focus on the process of leaving, which we have subsequently associated with all the phrases I mentioned earlier.

Let’s look at the word. What do you see? The phrase that stands out is ‘exit’. I’m going to change that to ‘eXit’. Nobody likes an exit and the letter ‘x’ is linked in our minds with either a warning or something that is wrong. This is by design.

We have had our minds turned to something very few of us like.

Here’s an everyday example. You accept the offer of a new job – which is exciting and positive – but first you must give in your notice and leave – not so exciting.  People generally don’t enjoy leaving, the process inevitably starts to raise questions such as ‘am I doing the right thing?’ ‘what am I leaving behind?’. It isn’t easy, particularly as you can’t be 100 per cent sure exactly what you’re walking into.

It’s the same with divorce, a word that is often linked with ‘Brexit’. Divorce isn’t nice and certainly not easy. It brings up feelings of loss, rejection, uncertainty and, yes, financial worries – is this beginning to ring some Brexit bells?

But the issue really isn’t about the ‘divorce’, it’s what comes after. Being ‘single’ and independent is a positive, not a negative. It implies a new start rather than an ending. Suddenly all those worries and uncertainties have become possibilities and choices.

What the programmers have done in the last couple of years is take us away from our potential new life and focused us on the ‘divorce’, the process of leaving that we instinctively don’t like.

The EU, on the other hand, has died to us. We moan about people when they are alive but as soon as they are gone, they are canonised. We forget their faults and remember through misty eyes. The EU, our stumbling block back in 2016, is suddenly becoming our comfort blanket – something we can rely on and are used to should we decide to kick Brexit into touch.

All this has been done to us before. Perhaps we should learn the lessons.

First, we had the millennium bug. Everything was going to stop working the moment the clock ticked around to January 1 2000. Remember that?

Our world was going to come to a crashing halt. Lifts would stop working, computers would go on the blink, cash machines would go wrong.

What happened? Absolutely nothing – other than technology companies made a shed load of cash as we took precautions against what was never going to happen anyway.

Then there was the independence vote in Scotland.

Perfectly understandably Scottish people wanted their own nation recognised – still do.

But they were hammered night and day with negatives from Westminster about how they’d be brought to a standstill.

How much of that was true is debatable. But what isn’t debatable is that it worked. But the people are getting more and more angry because deep down they know their choice was snatched away from them.

‘Brexit’ is the establishment’s way of urging us not to leave, but to stay in the EU.

Many are so fed up with hearing the word they’d give anything for it to go away – including voting to Remain.

We’ve been groomed, mind controlled, programmed to associate potentially the greatest change in Britain’s history into an uneasy, uncertain negative. </div></p>



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'Left-behind towns in England are to get a £1.6bn funding boost as part of a package of measures to win support for Theresa May’s Brexit deal among Labour MPs, who said the new cash would not buy their votes.

Labour MPs including Lisa Nandy and Gareth Snell who have signalled they might back May’s deal criticised the approach and said the cash would do little to tackle the effects of austerity.

The prime minister said the Stronger Towns Fund, much of it allocated over seven years to the north of England and the Midlands, would go to areas that had not “shared the proceeds of growth”. May, who is also expected to announce post-Brexit guarantees on workers’ and trade union rights in the coming days, said £1bn had been allocated already, of which more than half would go to the north of England, where towns such as Wakefield, Doncaster and Wigan voted heavily for Brexit.

About £322m will go to towns in the Midlands, where the leave vote in places such as Stoke-on-Trent, Mansfield and Wolverhampton was high.

Nandy, the MP for Wigan and a former shadow minister, said towns such as hers had been “shamefully ignored for decades” and the new fund must represent the start of an overhaul in the government’s approach to investment.

“If it is a one-off payment designed to help the prime minister ahead of a key Brexit vote, it will fail and confirm to people in our towns that the government is not serious in its commitment to our communities,” she said.'



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Britain will enter 'zombie world' if MPs don't back May's Brexit deal warns minister as hardline Brexiteers give her three tests she must pass to win their support
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'Delaying Brexit would leave Britain stuck in a 'zombie world' without knowing which direction it was heading in, a minister warned today.

Prisons Minister Rory Stewart lashed out at mooted plans to keep the UK in the EU past March 29, saying it opened up other outcomes that were not good for the country.

He urged MPs to back Theresa May's Brexit deal after hardline Tory Brexiteers presented Theresa May with 'three tests' any agreement will have to pass in order for them to support it.

Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group presented peace terms to Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General, in the latest sign that all but the most diehard eurosceptics are prepared to accept a deal. Mr Stewart told Sky's Ridge on Sunday: 'All those other options are worse than the PM's deal and I hope people are focusing on this.

Because if you think that through, extension to Article 50, which is going to be a vote which would effectively give lets say a couple of month's extension, would resolve nothing.

'It would put us in a world in which we were still in a zombie world, not knowing where we were going.

'And it would increase the chance of other options. It increased the chance either of people pushing for general elections which wouldn't solve everything, for another referendum … or it would push people towards a customs union which would stop us trading with the rest of the world.'

In private talks the ERG called for a legally binding mechanism to escape the backstop, with a clear exit route and an unambiguous rewrite of the language in the Government's legal advice, the Sunday Times said.

It comes after senior eurosceptics appeared to dramatically soften their insistence that the Withdrawal Agreement must be rewritten to remove the Northern Irish border backstop provision.'



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