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Justice Department and ATF looking to ban bump stocks
« on: Dec 12, 2017, 07:12:14 am »
 

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Justice Department and ATF Begin Regulatory Process to Determine Whether Bump Stocks Are Prohibited

https://justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-atf-begin-regulatory-process-determine-whether-bump-stocks-are

The Department of Justice and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) announced today that it has begun the process of promulgating a federal regulation interpreting the definition of “machinegun” under federal law to clarify whether certain bump stock devices fall within that definition.

"The Department of Justice has the duty to enforce our laws, protect our rights, and keep the American people safe," Attorney General Sessions said. "Possessing firearm parts that are used exclusively in converting a weapon into a machine gun is illegal, except for certain limited circumstances. Today we begin the process of determining whether or not bump stocks are covered by this prohibition. We will go through the regulatory process that is required by law and we will be attentive to input from the public. This Department is serious about firearms offenses, as shown by the dramatic increase in firearms prosecutions this year. The regulatory clarification we begin today will help us to continue to protect the American people by carrying out the laws duly enacted by our representatives in Congress."

ATF has taken the initial step in this regulatory process by drafting an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPRM) and submitting it to the Office of Management and Budget. The ANPRM will provide the public and industry the opportunity to submit formal comments to ATF about bump stocks to inform ATF’s decision regarding further steps in the rulemaking process. The federal rulemaking process follows procedures required by the Administrative Procedure Act (APA). ATF and the Department will proceed in accordance with this process as quickly as possible.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) and Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) strictly regulate the possession and transfer of machineguns, making it unlawful for any person to possess a machinegun that was not lawfully possessed prior to the statute’s effective date. Manufacturers and inventors may voluntarily submit devices to ATF for a “classification,” that is, a determination as to whether the device is considered a firearm or machinegun under federal law.  If a device is not classified as a firearm or machinegun, it is deemed to be a part or accessory that is not subject to regulation by ATF.


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Please note that the ATF has already determined that they can not regulate bump stocks.  A bump stock requires you to pull the trigger every time.  A machine gun only requires one press of the trigger to fire multiple rounds.



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« Reply #1 on: Dec 21, 2017, 06:15:56 pm »
 

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Thank the NRA and Republican Congress for trying to expand the NFA registry

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https://blog.princelaw.com/2017/12/21/atf-to-publish-advance-notice-of-proposed-rulemaking-re-application-of-the-definition-of-machinegun-to-bump-fire-stocks-and-other-similar-devices/

Tomorrow, ATF will publish an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding the application of the definition of machinegun to “Bump Fire” stocks and other similar devices. As many have feared, it appears that the regulatory agency is soliciting feedback as to whether bump fire stocks, binary triggers, etc., fit within the definition of machinegun.

Comments are due thirty (30) days from the date of publication in the Federal Register. Assuming that nothing goes awry with the publication tomorrow, that would mean any comment you wish to submit in opposition to this advance notice would need to be submitted by 11:59 PM on Sunday, January 21, 2018. While one might expect an extra day to be provided to place the deadline on a Monday, agency rules govern. ATF confirmed via telephone that the deadline was Sunday.



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Below is the link to the pdf of Advance Notice to proposed rule regarding bump stocks
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Application of the Definition of Machinegun to “Bump Fire” Stocks and Other Similar Devices

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2017-27898.pdf



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ATF Employee Warns About Bump Stock Ban!












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Video explains why the ATF redefining the legal definition of machine gun is dangerous and unconstitutional.

The legal definition of machine gun was created in National Firearms Act of 1934.  The ATF has no legal authority to change the definition of machine gun.

ATF soliciting comments from public here.
https://federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/26/2017-27898/application-of-the-definition-of-machinegun-to-bump-fire-stocks-and-other-similar-devices



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« Reply #4 on: Feb 20, 2018, 03:11:04 pm »
 

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Just as predicted.   Notice he says all devices.

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President Trump signs memo directing Sessions to take action on bump stocks

https://cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/politics-latest/index.html


President Trump said he has directed Attorney General Jeff Sessions to propose changes that would ban so-called "bump stocks," which make it easier to fire rounds quicker.

"Just a few moments ago I signed a memo directing the attorney general to propose regulations that ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump said at a Medal of Valor event at the White House.

"I expect these regulations to be finalized, Jeff, very soon," Trump said.



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« Reply #5 on: Mar 10, 2018, 12:34:43 pm »
 

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Department of Justice moves to ban bump stocks, classifying them as 'machine guns' under federal law

https://cnbc.com/2018/03/10/department-of-justice-moves-to-ban-bump-stocks-classifying-them-as-machine-guns-under-federal-law.html
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The U.S. Department of Justice formally submitted a regulation on Saturday to ban "bump stocks," a modification to high-capacity rifles that lets them fire like an automatic weapon.

President Donald Trump signed a memorandum in February directing the department to make the regulatory change, which must now be approved by the Office of Management and Budget before it is published and subject to a commentary period.

The move does not require congressional approval, allowing the administration to side-step what could have been insurmountable pressure from pro-gun groups such as the National Rifle Association that have worked to erode changes in firearm laws in the wake of mass shootings in Florida and Nevada.

More at the link --->  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/10/department-of-justice-moves-to-ban-bump-stocks-classifying-them-as-machine-guns-under-federal-law.html

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« Reply #6 on: Mar 23, 2018, 06:02:39 pm »
 

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More of that 3D chess for you.   >:(

They are redefining the legal definition of machine gun.

https://justice.gov/file/1046006/download



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More of that 3D chess for you.   >:(

They are redefining the legal definition of machine gun.

https://justice.gov/file/1046006/download



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Consequently, current possessors of these devices would be required to surrender them, destroy them, or otherwise render them permanently inoperable upon the effective date of the rule.

Signed by Jeff Sessions

So much for going through Congress or any kind of grandfathering.

How exactly are they going to enforce this?



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« Reply #8 on: Mar 23, 2018, 06:41:56 pm »
 

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How exactly are they going to enforce this?



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Same as any machine gun if you're caught with it.

Bozeman Man Convicted of Illegal Possession of an Un-Registered Machine Gun

BILLINGS – Following a three day federal trial, a Montana jury found William Krisstofer Wolf, 53, of Bozeman, guilty on two counts: Illegal Possession of a Machine Gun and Possession of a Firearm not Registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record.

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/bozeman-man-convicted-illegal-possession-un-registered-machine-gun

Guy got 6 years.

They can't ban belt loops, though.



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« Reply #9 on: Mar 23, 2018, 06:50:24 pm »
 

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They can't ban belt loops, though.



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::) Come. On.

Terrible example btw, has nothing to do with grandfathering.



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« Reply #10 on: Mar 31, 2018, 01:43:01 am »
 

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The proposed rule to regulate bump stocks as machine guns is up for public comment.  All submissions received must include the agency name and docket number for this notice of proposed rulemaking.

https://federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/29/2018-06292/bump-stock-type-devices#open-comment

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The bump-stock-type devices covered by this proposed rule were not in existence prior to the GCA's effective date, and therefore would fall within the prohibition on machineguns if this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) is implemented. Consequently, current possessors of these devices would be required to surrender them, destroy them, or otherwise render them permanently inoperable upon the effective date of the final rule.



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Signed by Jeff Sessions

So much for going through Congress or any kind of grandfathering.

How exactly are they going to enforce this?



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The ATF could go to SlideFire and other manufacturers that directly sell to customers online and require them to give up addresses for those that brought them.



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As somebody who used to be addicted to target shooting, I'm utterly horrified at bump-stocks.

I'd be very hard pushed to think of a more idiotic modification.
Probably because I come from the school of thought that you don't miss - ever.

One shot, one Kill.



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As somebody who used to be addicted to target shooting, I'm utterly horrified at bump-stocks.

I'd be very hard pushed to think of a more idiotic modification.
Probably because I come from the school of thought that you don't miss - ever.

One shot, one Kill.



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The actual agenda behind bump stocks has nothing to do with bump stocks.  Like others have said, virtually no one had EVER heard of them before the inside job at NV.  It is a way to break through the armor of the 2nd amendment to straight up make ALL semi-autos of any kind illegal.  The other HUGE thing people do not understand (like 90+% or more imo) is that, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT STOPPING CRIMINALS FROM GETTING GUNS, they already know they don't obey laws.  HOWEVER, what they do know is that the vast majority of people who would refer to themselves as "LAW ABIDING CITIZENS"--those are EXACTLY the people that they want to make guns illegal for!  People that already obey the law, (even the fascist laws that if you disobey, you're going to prison) that they will COMPLY with forced surrendering of their arms (much of which can and will be done via people's QUACK GENERAL PRACTITIONER IN A WHITE LAB COAT).

Once everyone is disarmed, they can EMINENT DOMAIN ASSET SEIZE THE F*CK OUT OF EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN A CONTROLLED AGENDA 2030 COMPACT "SMART CITY", AND THE MASSES WON'T BE ABLE TO DO JACK SHIT TO STOP IT.

99.999% of the public JUST WANTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DECENT JOB, AFFORD AND MAINTAIN A RESPECTABLE STANDARD OF LIVING, ENJOY LIFE, AND BE LEFT THE F*CK COMPLETELY ALONE.  WELL, THE GLOBALISTS *HAVE OTHER PLANS* FOR US.



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I said that to illustrate the madness.

What they really, really want is a constitutional convention - under the pretext of sorting out the 2nd.
They would claim that it would be a single issue convention ~ but that is phreakin lie, and not legal.
Because once a Constitutional Convention has been called, such a convention would have the "power to propose anything it sees fit".



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All roads lead to confiscation. The government passing laws banning weapons is just the beginning.  The government has already prepared the public for police raids using the war to control drug trade and events like Waco.   They are actively waging a marketing campaign to make gun owners the new menace to society.

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So States Ban Bump Stocks. Now How Do They Enforce the Law?

https://huffingtonpost.com/entry/so-states-ban-bump-stocks-now-how-do-they-enforce_us_5afef574e4b018ba2f83c189

Under New Jersey’s new bump-stock ban, which was approved in January, residents were supposed to destroy or turn in their bump stocks by mid-April.

So far, New Jersey State Police say, they have not received a single one.

Months after a man used a bump stock to quickly mow down 58 people in Las Vegas, seven states now prohibit the sale and possession of the devices, which enable semiautomatic rifles to fire at the rate of fully automatic fire. Bans of bump stocks in Hawaii and Connecticut are currently awaiting governors’ signatures, and lawmakers in Delaware and Rhode Island are expected to approve bans soon.

Even though proposed bump-stock bans have stalled in more than a dozen states, gun control advocates who want to rid the country of the accessory are celebrating their existing statehouse victories. They agree with gun owners and police, however, that enforcing the bans will be a challenge.

It’s hard to know for sure, but Americans could own as many as 520,000 bump stocks, according to estimates from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Many of the devices are untraceable, in part because they don’t have serial numbers.

New Jersey is not the only state having trouble enforcing its ban. In Massachusetts, where residents had until February to surrender their bump stocks, State Police received just three devices. The Bay State’s ban, which passed in November, is a felony.

The first reported violation of the bump-stock ban in Massachusetts occurred in March, when police arrested a couple after discovering an arsenal of weapons in their hotel room. The bump-stock charge was one of more than three dozen gun charges in that case.

Bump-stock bans in Florida, Maryland, Vermont and Washington have been approved but have not yet gone into effect.

Connecticut’s ban has passed both houses of the state Legislature and is awaiting the signature of Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy. Jeremy Stein, executive director of Connecticut Against Gun Violence, said he doesn’t expect the ban in his state to prompt a flood of bump-stock owners to turn in their devices.

“Unless the police are getting search warrants to go house by house, there will probably be people who aren’t giving up their bump stocks,” Stein said. “Enforcement will come into play when the police are investigating other crimes, like domestic violence or whatever, and they come across a bump stock. They can tack on another charge.



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These rulings only apply to the individual who brought the lawsuit against the government.  Everybody else who has bump stock in their possession is now a criminal.




NCLA Wins Temporary Stay of Bump Stock Ban from U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit

https://apnews.com/Globe Newswire/21435b1f8c9f9e5a24800fd13c34bf49

Today, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit issued a temporary stay of the bump stock ban announced late last year by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The stay only applies to NCLA’s client, W. Clark Aposhian, a resident of Salt Lake City, Utah who has challenged the ban in federal court. The stay prevents the enforcement of the bump stock ban against Mr. Aposhian while the Court considers his Emergency Motion for Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal.

The New Civil Liberties Alliance filed the preliminary injunction motion on Mr. Aposhian’s behalf on March 19th. The case is not about whether bump stocks should be banned. Instead, it is about whether ATF acted lawfully in the way it banned them. NCLA asked the Court of Appeals to halt enforcement of the ban while it considers NCLA’s appeal of a district court order that denied a preliminary injunction last week. ATF’s ban goes into effect nationwide on March 26th.

NCLA contends in this lawsuit that only Congress, not administrative agencies, can write criminal laws such as ATF’s rule banning bump stocks. The lawsuit raises key issues about the proper role of administrative agencies, whether agency regulations may contradict a statute passed by Congress, and whether an agency can retroactively punish lawful purchasers of a device who may not hear about the ban before it turns them into felons.

The Court’s decision to stay the bump stock rule is an important recognition of the high stakes in this case. While the order is limited, the Court recognizes that Mr. Aposhian has raised a substantial basis to question the rule’s validity. The Court sees that it would be unfair to allow the rule to take effect without giving him an opportunity to fully present the issue to the Court.

More at the link ---> https://apnews.com/Globe Newswire/21435b1f8c9f9e5a24800fd13c34bf49



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