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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia: UN "Safe Areas" for Bosnian Muslims
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Top secret letter from 1996 disclosed, containing information that during Srebrenica demilitarization, large quantity of weapons was delivered to BiH army

Source: Tanjug Friday, July 12, 2019 | 11:01


Until May 7, 1995, a significant amount of weapons were delivered to the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Srebrenica, which was then a demilitarized zone, by an air bridge, which was presented as exclusively humanitarian at the time, according to a confidential letter from the Bosnian Army Commander Rasim Delic, "Vecernje novosti" had insight in.

As stated in a strictly confidential letter sent by the then Commander of the Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the Assembly of BiH on May 30, 1996, 374,982 bullets, 436 diverse bombs, 131 thunderbolts, 44 launchers, 292 launchers RPG7, 59 bazooka mines, one rocket launcher of 107 mm, 28 rockets were delivered to BiH soldiers.

According to the letter, the soldiers received a laser "red lightning" by means of an air bridge, 275 mines of 60mm, 24 zolja grenades, 740 mines from 82 and 122mm.

For everyday needs and rewards to the best fighters in Srebrenica, DM 350,000 was sent from Sarajevo, and additional DM 308,000 for the purpose of "Shahid's Fund".

As "Novosti" reports, Delic reveals in the document that supplies were provided to Alija Izetbegovic fighters in Srebrenica, which was officially demilitarized and protected zone of the UN.
"Even Gorazde hadn't received these funds, and Sarajevo defended itself with much less funds in 1992 and 1993", Delic said in the document.

In this letter, Delic complains that the unfair struggle for power and constant divisions on this basis, the poor attitude of the Police and the Armed Forces of BiH, the murders of political opponents, war profiteering, crime and the poor organization of the defense forces, were the sore internal reasons that led to the fall of Srebrenica back in July 1995.

As "positive results", he mentions massacres of Serbs in 1992, not only in Srebrenica zone, but throughout Podrinje, from Skelani to Zvornik.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001: USA and KLA
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US Congress’ House Foreign Affairs Committee adopted a resolution on Wednesday urging Belgrade to prosecute the killers of the three Bytyqi brothers

Source: B92, Tanjug Thursday, July 18, 2019 | 13:04

Ylli, Agron, and Mehmet Bytyqi are US citizens of Albanian origin, murdered in Serbia in 1999.

As reported by Pristina daily Bota sot, the resolution was readopted with the aim of exerting pressure on Serbia to bring the killers of Bytyqi brothers to justice.

The resolution says that Serbia must “make it a priority to investigate and prosecute as soon as possible those current or former officials believed to be responsible for [the brothers’] deaths, directly or indirectly”.

It is also said that further progress in resolving this case "should remain a significant factor determining the further development of relations between the United States and the Republic of Serbia”.

The same resolution was adopted last year under the same Committee, but it had to be confirmed due to procedural reasons.

Brothers Ylli, Mehmet and Agron Bytyqi were American citizens that came to Serbia in 1999 and joined KLA, fighting Serbian security forces.
After the war ended, on June 26, 1999, they in plain clothes tried to help two Roma families from Prizren to reach Central Serbia. They were apprehended on that occasion and accused of "illegal state entry" (Yugoslavia) and they were sentenced on the next day to 15 days in prison by the court based in Prokuplje.
They were granted to get out of jail three days earlier, but instead of being released, they were taken to a remote special antiterrorist police training facility in Petrovo Selo. There, the Bytyqis were tortured, executed and dumped into a mass grave with other Kosovo Albanians.
Their bodies were exhumed on July 2001, in the mass grave in Petrovo selo. Their corpses were found with tied arms and with the wounds from the bullets shot in the back of their heads.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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SERBIA WILL NEVER BECOME A MEMBER OF EU

Final verdict: The Netherlands partially liable for death of 350 Srebrenica victims

The Dutch Supreme Court has upheld a ruling that the Netherlands is partially liable for the death of 350 Srebrenica victims murdered in July 1995, Klix.ba says
Source: klix.ba Friday, July 19, 2019 | 12:00

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Dutch United Nations peacekeepers are held responsible for evacuating the men from the UN Dutch military base near Srebrenica on July 13, 1995, despite knowing they “were in serious jeopardy of being abused and murdered” by Bosnian Serb forces, this portal says.

Today's verdict is the final verdict of the highest judicial body in the Netherlands, and it was adopted after the appeal from 2017 filed by the representatives of families of the victims killed in Srebrenica on the identical verdict of the District Court in The Hague, brought in 2014.

In a 2017 judgment, the Hague Court of Appeal ruled that the Dutch forces’ actions deprived the men of any chance of survival.

The court estimated their chance of survival if they had stayed in the Dutch compound at around 30% and said the Dutch state was liable for 30% of losses suffered by their surviving relatives. The Supreme Court lowered that number to 10%.

Klix.ba points out that according to this verdict, the Netherlands was acquitted for the killing of Srebrenica men that were not situated in the Dutch military base, stationed at Potocari. According to this ruling, the Netherlands is bound to pay compensation to the families of the victims, but the amount of compensation is not specified.

At the same time, the Netherlands filed an appeal on the same case, with the request that it should be cleared of responsibility for the events of July 1995, when The Republika Srpska Army entered Srebrenica. Thousands of Muslims sought safety in Srebrenica, which the UN was protecting with the Dutch forces, since until that day Srebrenica was a UN protected zone.

However, they were not protected but men were separated from women and children, and expelled from the UN base. Women and children were sent to the territory under the control of the Army of BiH Republic, while men were detained, followed by a massive execution of those caught, but also of those who were subsequently captured in the attempt to flee to the liberated territory.



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9/9/1993 Lika province ( today Croatia) - Croatian military a war crime operation " Medak pocket"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Medak_Pocket











Croatian Army under the command of Gen. Norac killed 36 Serb civilians, including 17 women and 52 Serbian soldiers (SKA), mostly after capture and burning down 4 villages.




So far, the remains of 84 victims have been recovered, with eight not identified, while four are still reported missing.
The Croatian Army captured 10 soldiers of the Serbian Krajina Army (two of whom were 65 years old each) and were all sentenced to maximum prison terms.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
« Reply #54 on: Sep 13, 2019, 04:28:42 pm »
 

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Lets see post Yugo / Kosovo ... Millions of Muslims enter into Europe ....
Oh it was an accident of history ?


http://www.historymatters.group.shef.ac.uk/brexit-lesson-yugoslavia/
Brexit: A Lesson from Yugoslavia
Democracy EU Referendum Europe History Behind The Headlines Modern by Fedja Buric on June 30, 2016

On June 23, 2016 the UK decided to leave the European Union. The Brexit referendum, like any other, was supposed to let the people speak. The trouble is, that they did not speak in unison and now the raison d’être of this multinational state has disappeared. In the early 1990s, Yugoslavs also went to their referendums to determine their willingness to stay in another federation. The result was bloodshed and the fragmentation of Yugoslavia into squabbling, dysfunctional mini nation-states. What can a dead country teach the (barely) alive one?

The UK has a lot in common with Yugoslavia. Like Yugoslavia, the UK is a complicated multinational state born out of a contentious historical project that often overlapped with the imperial project of the country that would form the core of the multinational federation. For Yugoslavia, this was Serbia, and for the UK, this was England. Like the English in Scotland and Ireland, the Serbs in Croatia, Kosovo and Bosnia were sometimes perceived as brute conquerors.

And yet, despite the pull of history, the elites managed over time to assemble messy, but durable, multinational experiments. Complicated compromises were hammered out and historical animosities became more predictable and controllable, if not entirely extinguished. Local self-rule and autonomy to ethnically distinct regions was the modus operandi in both the UK and Yugoslavia.

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If there is one lesson the UK should take from Yugoslavia it is this: referendums are terrible. These brief exercises in direct democracy not only fail to solve existential societal questions, but they bring to the fore societal divisions that had previously been channeled into civil political discourse (like in the UK) or, yes, been politically repressed (like in the case of Yugoslavia).


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What the Brexit debacle should teach us is that referendums are more often than not populist tools that allow demagogues to use the politics of resentment in a democratic way. Sure, referendums are democratic. But, they can also be deadly.

Fedja Buric is an Assistant Professor of History at Bellarmine University. His research interests include twentieth-century Bosnia and former Yugoslavia. His writing has also appeared in Salon. You can find him on twitter @BuricFedja.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
« Reply #55 on: Sep 13, 2019, 04:56:53 pm »
 

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Lets see post Yugo / Kosovo ... Millions of Muslims enter into Europe ....
Oh it was an accident of history ?


http://www.historymatters.group.shef.ac.uk/brexit-lesson-yugoslavia/
Brexit: A Lesson from Yugoslavia
Democracy EU Referendum Europe History Behind The Headlines Modern by Fedja Buric on June 30, 2016

On June 23, 2016 the UK decided to leave the European Union. The Brexit referendum, like any other, was supposed to let the people speak. The trouble is, that they did not speak in unison and now the raison d’être of this multinational state has disappeared. In the early 1990s, Yugoslavs also went to their referendums to determine their willingness to stay in another federation. The result was bloodshed and the fragmentation of Yugoslavia into squabbling, dysfunctional mini nation-states. What can a dead country teach the (barely) alive one?

The UK has a lot in common with Yugoslavia. Like Yugoslavia, the UK is a complicated multinational state born out of a contentious historical project that often overlapped with the imperial project of the country that would form the core of the multinational federation. For Yugoslavia, this was Serbia, and for the UK, this was England. Like the English in Scotland and Ireland, the Serbs in Croatia, Kosovo and Bosnia were sometimes perceived as brute conquerors.

And yet, despite the pull of history, the elites managed over time to assemble messy, but durable, multinational experiments. Complicated compromises were hammered out and historical animosities became more predictable and controllable, if not entirely extinguished. Local self-rule and autonomy to ethnically distinct regions was the modus operandi in both the UK and Yugoslavia.

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If there is one lesson the UK should take from Yugoslavia it is this: referendums are terrible. These brief exercises in direct democracy not only fail to solve existential societal questions, but they bring to the fore societal divisions that had previously been channeled into civil political discourse (like in the UK) or, yes, been politically repressed (like in the case of Yugoslavia).


...

What the Brexit debacle should teach us is that referendums are more often than not populist tools that allow demagogues to use the politics of resentment in a democratic way. Sure, referendums are democratic. But, they can also be deadly.

Fedja Buric is an Assistant Professor of History at Bellarmine University. His research interests include twentieth-century Bosnia and former Yugoslavia. His writing has also appeared in Salon. You can find him on twitter @BuricFedja.

1)Fedja Buric could be Professor in High School not on University.
2) Situation in now former Yugoslavia and situation now in UK is totally different.
3) "Referendums" in former Yugoslavia were "totally terrible". West supported only referendums in only Republics who want separation from Yugoslavia ( Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, now North Macedonia) and said NO referendums of Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina and in Croatia. Double standards and war 1991-1995.



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Re: NATO bombing of Serbia 1999
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15 Sep, 17:55

US must apologize for bombing former Yugoslavia, says Russian diplomat
Also US must pay compensation to the relatives of those killed and injured in air raids, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said


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MOSCOW, September 15. /TASS/. The United States must apologize for bombing the former Yugoslavia back in 1999 and pay compensation to the relatives of those killed and injured in the US-backed NATO air raids, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Sunday.

“And for a start, the United States should apologize to those it bombed, pay out compensation to those killed and wounded and to those whose health was damaged because of shells loaded with depleted uranium. And only when this is done, when the proper groundwork has been laid, can it call on others to move forward," she wrote on her Facebook account, commenting on the statement by outgoing US Ambassador to Serbia, Kyle Scott, who said that the Serbs should look at NATO’s bombings in 1999 from a "broader perspective."
​​​​NATO air raids

On March 24, 1999, NATO began a military operation against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. NATO leadership claimed that prevention of genocide of the Albanian population in Kosovo was the main reason behind the operation called Allied Force. NATO said that during the 78-day operation its aircraft flew 38,000 sorties to carry out 10,000 bombing strikes.

Military experts have found that the alliance launched 3,000 cruise missiles and dropped 80,000 bombs, including cluster bombs and low-enriched uranium bombs. According to Serbian forces, the bombardments killed 3,500-4,000 and injured 10,000 others, two thirds of them civilians.

According to Serbian experts, NATO dropped 15 tonnes of depleted uranium over the three months of bombings to make the country Europe’s number one in terms of cancer cases. About 30,000 new cancer cases were registered in the first ten years after the bombings, with the lethality rate from 10,000 to 18,000 patients.

Material damage totaled $100 billion. The strikes against oil refineries and petrochemical plants poisoned the country’s water supply system with toxic chemicals.

According to Ljubisa Rakic, a Serbian scientist and a member of the Serbian, Russian, New York, Eurasian, European and other academies, the amount of low-enriched uranium dropped by NATO on the Balkans was enough to make 170 A-bombs like the one that was dropped by the United States on Japan’s Hiroshima on August 6, 1945.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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First interview for Serbian media Prof. Noam Chomsky ( 2007!)























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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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Prof. Chomsky continue:























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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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Noam Chomsky is right about Srebrenica July 1995.













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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
« Reply #61 on: Oct 19, 2019, 07:54:52 am »
 

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Your obsessive returning the to blood-guilt history of the Serbo-Croat wars is unhelpful and unpopular.
And I will say that if there is one reason to support a central European Army and centralised,
ANTI-NATIONALIST government in europe, then the Serbo-Croatian wars is that reason. Fortunately,
the rest of CIVILISED EUROPE, non-Muslim occupied Europe, is not like Yugoslavia; sectarian, fratricidal.
With only slight resemblance to it, to be found in Catalonia and other breakaway Spanish enclaves.

Yugoslavia was hardly part of civilised europe, during the awful Genocide, was it? I saw the country.
Peasant shacks surrounded by High rise accomodations in Belgrade. A 3rd world, former communist state.

In WWII,  Britain managed to barter a deal with the partisans, and the very next day the Nazi's replied with: —

"Operation Retribution".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Retribution_(1941)

When I boarded a bus, not unlike those shown repeatedly in the videos above, on my way to Greece in 1980,
The bus was boarded by machine-gun toting military men, at a checkpoint, our papers checked and one
young bearded man dragged off the TOURIST BUS. Yugoslavia was a freaking mess and shouldn't be in Europe ...
Tito, the former communist ruler who had been in power of one sort or another from 1943 to 1980, had just died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito#Resistance_in_Yugoslavia

I'd say Yugoslavia, is, perhaps was; a total former-communist mess. It's the Balkans, it's not europe. It's uncivilised.

Donald Tusk of the EU lived under East European Communism as a boy. They assume this is the shared inheritance?
The human race is evolving, I hope. If not, then Europe has the possibility of descending into the Yugoslav model?
Yugoslavia was a freaking mess and it has to be dragged into the 21C, kicking and screaming if so necessary.
And by the same argument, this is a reason we need to be self-determining; to not be dragged down by barbarians.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
« Reply #62 on: Oct 19, 2019, 09:08:28 am »
 

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Your obsessive returning the to blood-guilt history of the Serbo-Croat wars is unhelpful and unpopular.
And I will say that if there is one reason to support a central European Army and centralised,
ANTI-NATIONALIST government in europe, then the Serbo-Croatian wars is that reason. Fortunately,
the rest of CIVILISED EUROPE, non-Muslim occupied Europe, is not like Yugoslavia; sectarian, fratricidal.
With only slight resemblance to it, to be found in Catalonia and other breakaway Spanish enclaves.

Yugoslavia was hardly part of civilised europe, during the awful Genocide, was it? I saw the country.
Peasant shacks surrounded by High rise accomodations in Belgrade. A 3rd world, former communist state.

In WWII,  Britain managed to barter a deal with the partisans, and the very next day the Nazi's replied with: —

"Operation Retribution".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Retribution_(1941)

When I boarded a bus, not unlike those shown repeatedly in the videos above, on my way to Greece in 1980,
The bus was boarded by machine-gun toting military men, at a checkpoint, our papers checked and one
young bearded man dragged off the TOURIST BUS. Yugoslavia was a freaking mess and shouldn't be in Europe ...
Tito, the former communist ruler who had been in power of one sort or another from 1943 to 1980, had just died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito#Resistance_in_Yugoslavia

I'd say Yugoslavia, is, perhaps was; a total former-communist mess. It's the Balkans, it's not europe. It's uncivilised.

Donald Tusk of the EU lived under East European Communism as a boy. They assume this is the shared inheritance?
The human race is evolving, I hope. If not, then Europe has the possibility of descending into the Yugoslav model?
Yugoslavia was a freaking mess and it has to be dragged into the 21C, kicking and screaming if so necessary.
And by the same argument, this is a reason we need to be self-determining; to not be dragged down by barbarians.

You seem to have some prejudices and it's no wonder you missed the thread (and a source for historical events in the former Yugoslavia).

Balkans in WW2
http://forum.globalgulag.com/index.php?topic=1297.50



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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Don't irritate him man. Be careful though. I know this Dude. He's a real psycho, he might gonna
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He's told me he knows you're a Government bot who is promoting Ethnic-Cleansing in Europe.





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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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You tell him man. Be careful though. I know this Dude. He's a real psycho, he's probably gonna
hunt you down and stick a toe-tected army boot up your whoopie-cushion ass, for saying that.



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Are you talking to me ? I hope that I am not "Dude".



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
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"They expected me to agree, I didn't: FRY bombing and recognizing Kosovo - a mistake"

Retired Canadian General, former UNPROFOR Commander in Sarajevo, Lewis MacKenzie, reiterates that FRY bombing and recognition of Kosovo were "insane"
Source: Tanjug Wednesday, October 16, 2019 | 08:39



Retired Canadian General, former UNPROFOR Commander in Sarajevo, Lewis MacKenzie, comes to Belgrade on the forthcoming Belgrade Book Fair, in order to promote Serbian edition of his book entitled: "Peacekeeper: The Road to Sarajevo", written 26 years ago, that was a bestseller in Canada.

In an interview for "Politika" daily, he reiterates his views, for which he was often criticized in his country and, above all, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, that genocide was not committed in Srebrenica, but a war crime, that the release of the Hague commander of Bosniak forces in Srebrenica, Naser Oric, is shameful, and that 1999 air raids on Serbia and the recognition of Kosovo are a big mistake, "insanity".
MacKenzie was UNPROFOR Commander for Sarajevo Sector from 1992 until June 1993 when the Sarajevo authorities requested his replacement.
"They expected me to agree with them on all issues... As my mandate meant being impartial and objective, they were very upset by my comments on particular issues", MacKenzie says.
The Canadian General, who after retiring and returning from Sarajevo in 1997, served briefly as Canada's Deputy Prime Minister, opposed NATO bombing of Serbia and criticized his government for recognizing Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence.
"The truth will always upset those who have a different opinion. With the development that took place after the air raids, it is clear that the insane decision to bomb a sovereign country and recognize Kosovo's independence has created a problem, rather than solved it", MacKenzie concluded.



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Re: Wars in former Yugoslavia 1991-2001
« Reply #67 on: Nov 10, 2019, 05:54:47 pm »
 

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From Srebrenica Muslim brigade came under command of Naser Oric and their massacre in Serbs in near village Kravica











Naser Oric is free and "hero" but Serbian General Ratko Mladic is "butcher of Bosnia". >:(



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