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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #25 on: Oct 19, 2017, 02:03:07 pm »
 

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Really? Lol @ Europeans, go on holiday one last time before revolution and civil war...  ;D



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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #26 on: Oct 19, 2017, 04:41:31 pm »
 

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Strikes me that its almost as if Spains prime minister is playing to loose.



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Strikes me that its almost as if Spains prime minister is playing to loose.



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'The worst attack since Franco':
Catalan leader slams Spain's PM after he sacks regional government to crush 'rebellion' as 450,000 take to streets to demand independence amid fears of new civil war

* Catalan protesters took to streets of Barcelona today as Mariano Rajoy announced plans to impose direct rule
* Spanish Prime Minister wants to sack autonomous region's government and call election within six months
* Also wants central government ministers to assume powers of Catalan officials to thwart independence bid
* Catalan president Carles Puigdemont branded the central government's plans an 'attack on democracy'
* And its parliament speaker Carme Forcadell accused the central authorities in Madrid of carrying out a coup

By Harvey Day and Rory Tingle For Mailonline
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5003425/Attorney-General-prepares-ARREST-Catalonia-s-president.html
Published: 11:57 BST, 21 October 2017


Nearly half a million poured onto the streets of Barcelona today as Spain's Prime Minister outlined plans to impose direct rule over Catalonia and remove its leaders. Mariano Rajoy wants to sack the region's government and call an election within six months in a bid to thwart a break away by the autonomous region.

But his aggressive stance, which includes a threat to arrest the region's president if he declares independence, led to Catalan President Carles Puigdemont accusing him of the worst attack on the region 'since Franco'. Mentioning Spain's notorious fascist dictator, Mr Puigdemont branded the Spanish government's plans an 'attack on democracy' and accused Mr Rajoy of seeking to 'humiliate' Catalonia.

Catalans cannot accept the 'illegal' measures taken by the Spanish government, calling them 'the worst attack against the institutions and the people of Catalonia since the military dictatorship of Francisco Franco.'



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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #28 on: Oct 23, 2017, 05:52:39 am »
 

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Videos of police violence that injured 1,000 Catalans are 'FAKE NEWS', Spain's foreign minister claims after Madrid denies staging a coup

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5005381/Catalan-protesters-say-stop-Puigdemont-s-arrest.html



'Spain's foreign minister has further inflamed tensions in the Catalonia referendum row by saying some videos showing police violence against voters were 'fake news'.

Alfonso Dastis, an independent politician and a legal adviser to the United Nations, told The Andrew Marr Show on BBC One: ‘There have been a lot of alternative facts and fake news here.’

Human Rights Watch responded by saying detailed investigations had found national police had used ‘excessive force’, with 991 people treated by Catalonia's health department after violence broke out during the independence vote.

Meanwhile, the Spanish government has been accused of launching a ‘fully-fledged coup’ after it announced plans to sack Catalan leaders and replace them with its own officials.

Prime minister Mariano Rajoy said the drastic move was to ‘restore order’ after the region held an independence referendum – but it triggered fresh protests.

Catalonia’s government said it would ‘fight tooth and nail’ against the ‘attack on democracy’. Spokesman Jordi Turull described the plans as ‘a fully-fledged coup against Catalan institutions’.'



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Catalonia says it will defy orders from Spanish government when it imposes direct rule

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catalonia-latest-spain-independence-direct-rule-not-bow-updates-a8016071.html



'Catalonia will defy attempts by Madrid to enforce direct rule on the region in a dispute that is raising fears of unrest among Spain's European allies.

The Spanish government has invoked special constitutional powers to fire the regional government and force elections to counter an independence drive. A vote in the national Senate to implement direct rule is due on Friday.

But leaders of the secessionist campaign said a referendum on 1 October, in which 43 per cent of the electorate voted, gave them a mandate to claim independence from the rest of Spain.

"It's not that we will refuse [orders]. It is not a personal decision. It is a seven million-person decision," Catalonia's foreign affairs chief Raul Romeva told BBC News.

Mr Romeva was asked whether he believed all institutions, including the police, would follow orders from Catalan institutions rather than obey the Spanish government.'



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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #30 on: Oct 26, 2017, 05:22:40 am »
 

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Catalonia vice president says Spain has given region no choice but to declare 'new republic'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catalonia-independence-spain-new-republic-referendum-vote-direct-rule-parliament-latest-a8019781.html



'Catalonia's vice-president has said that the Spanish government has given them "no choice" but declare independence.

Oriol Junqueras said his party, one of the two in the ruling separatist coalition which forms the Catalan government, is "going to work toward building a republic" because they have a "democratic mandate" following a referendum earlier this month.

Madrid declared the referendum illegal and sent in its centralised police force, the Civil Guard, to stop people voting. Officers were seen firing rubber bullets at crowds and beating voters as they attempted to enter polling stations during the vote on 1 October.

Nearly 900 people were injured in the violence and the final result showed 92 per cent backed independence based on a turnout of 43 per cent.

Mr Junqueras was speaking for Republican Left party and not for the regional government as a whole, which is headed by President Carles Puigdemont.

Mr Puigdemont announced he would be delaying his declaration of independence – which was originally due to happen around a week after the vote – to seek negotiations with the Madrid government.'

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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #31 on: Oct 26, 2017, 08:00:26 am »
 

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BREAKING NEWS: Catalan leader to call snap election for December in bid to stop Madrid imposing direct rule tomorrow as his family ‘flee the country’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5019571/Catalan-leader-family-leave-Spain-ahead-declaration.html



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Catalonia Declares Independence - Spain acts to Crush Catalonian Rebels
« Reply #32 on: Oct 28, 2017, 08:00:11 am »
 

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Catalonia crumbles:
Ministers appointed by Spanish Prime Minister take over Catalan government as police chief is sacked and armed officers guard the regional parliament after night of violence on the streets of Barcelona


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5026353/Tensions-boil-streets-Barcelona.html

Spain has today seized control of Catalonia as ministers appointed by the Prime Minister have met to discuss their new roles in the region's sacked government. Catalonia's regional police chief Josep Trapero was removed from his post at around 4am this morning amid concerns that local police would resist the national force. Officers cast a ring of steel around the region's parliament in Barcelona as demonstrators took to the streets of Madrid in support of a united Spain.

It comes after unionists clashed with separatists in Barcelona last night as tens of thousands of Catalans celebrated the local government's declaration of independence. In one incident a pro-independence radio station was attacked with journalists forced to barricade themselves inside. Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has stripped Catalonia's most senior police officials of their powers and taken control of its civil service, finances and public media ahead of snap local elections announced for December 21.

And Spain's top prosecutor has warned that the local politicians responsible for the independence vote could face treason charges and up to 25 years in prison, with arrests planned for as early as Monday. This morning thousands of unionists protesters took to Madrid's Plaza de Colon as they called for Catalan regional president Carles Puigdemont to be jailed. Mr Rajoy announced that he had sacked the local government on television last night, adding that 'central government will assume the powers of the Catalonian administration'.

He said: 'Spain is living through a sad day. We believe it is urgent to listen to Catalan citizens, to all of them, so that they can decide their future and nobody can act outside the law on their behalf.

'Today, the Catalonia parliament has approved something that in the opinion of a large majority of people not only goes against the law but is a criminal act.'


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BREAKING NEWS: Catalonia's president flees to Brussels after Belgium offered him asylum as Spain issues him with €6 MILLION bail and announces plan to charge senior officials with sedition and rebellion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030789/Carles-Puigdemont-posts-image-inside-Catalonia-parliament.html

Ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels on Monday as his separatist movement collapsed and Spain's top prosecutor called for him to be charged with rebellion, sedition and embezzlement. Mr Puigdemont had vowed to defy Madrid by turning up to work despite threats of arrest and even uploaded a picture of the presidential palace roof to Instagram, but never appeared.

Five other sacked members of the Catalan government said to be with him in Brussels. Its being billed as a meeting with Flemish separatists but  there is growing speculation he may seek political asylum.

Belgian authorities had suggested that the ousted president could be granted asylum if he faced the threat of arrest in his home country. Former speaker Carme Forcadell did arrive at her office in Barcelona but only to announce parliament would be dissolving before she was ordered to 'immediately' hand herself over to police.

In another apparent climb down, Mr Puigdemont’s representative said his party would field candidates in the snap election on 21 December announced by Madrid. The party had said earlier that it did not respect the legitimacy of the election.

The extraordinary turn of events has shocked many in Catalonia, with unionists jubilant while many separatists reacted with a sense of anger and humiliation.

The Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, said that his plan for taking control of Catalonia was 'going well'.

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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence - Its part of the "Heineken Plan"

The short version, merge a few big countries to create EU, then breakup those countries into Regions within the EU.

The United States of Europe, A Eurotopia?
The book proposes a federal United States of Europe, in which larger European countries break into a number of smaller, more ethnically and linguistically homogeneous states.

The plan gives a division of Europe in regions. Heineken went to Henk Wesseling for advise on the division, who was Professor of History at the University of Leiden. The designs from the plan were left to the Leiden historian Wim van den Doel. Eurotopia takes ethnic sensitivities into account, to cause the least possible amount of friction. The basic idea is a Europe that is completely composed of states with roughly 5 to 10 million citizens. According to Heineken, the absence of a powerful state would lead to a chance of more stability, equality and peace. While under the motto of small is beautiful, administration in the states could be more efficient.


My Kingdom for a Beer? Heineken's Eurotopia




Freddy Heineken (1923-2002), the Dutch tycoon who made his beer into a global brand, also was a dedicated Europhile. Towards the end of his life, he proposed reshuffling Europe’s national borders to strengthen the supranational project whose stated goal is an “ever closer union”.

Heineken collaborated with two historians to produce a booklet entitled “The United States of Europe, A Eurotopia?” The idea was timely, for two reasons. Eastern Europe was experiencing a period of turmoil, following the collapse of communism. The resulting wave of nationalism led to the re-emergence of several nation-states (i.e. the Baltics) and the break-up of several others (Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia). And in 1992, the Maastricht Treaty would transform an initially mainly economic “European Community” into a more political “European Union”.



Heineken’s proposal would lead to the creation of dozens of new European states, which would have a comparably small population size (mostly between 5 and 10 million), some basis in history, and for the most part would be ethnically homogenous.

The theory behind Heineken’s idea is that a larger number of smaller member-states would be easier to govern within a single European framework than a combination of larger states competing for dominance. Heineken might have been inspired by the work of Leopold Kohr, whose similar proposal was discussed earlier on this blog (#18).

Here is a list of countries proposed in the “Eurotopia” detailed by Heineken e.a., with their capital cities and population figures. Numbers correspond to the ones on the map:







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Up Dated Headline :
Catalonia's president 'will apply for asylum' after fleeing to Brussels as Spain issues him with €6 MILLION bail and announces plan to charge senior officials with sedition and rebellion

BREAKING NEWS: Catalonia's president flees to Brussels after Belgium offered him asylum as Spain issues him with €6 MILLION bail and announces plan to charge senior officials with sedition and rebellion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030789/Carles-Puigdemont-posts-image-inside-Catalonia-parliament.html

Ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels on Monday as his separatist movement collapsed and Spain's top prosecutor called for him to be charged with rebellion, sedition and embezzlement. Mr Puigdemont had vowed to defy Madrid by turning up to work despite threats of arrest and even uploaded a picture of the presidential palace roof to Instagram, but never appeared.

Five other sacked members of the Catalan government said to be with him in Brussels. Its being billed as a meeting with Flemish separatists but  there is growing speculation he may seek political asylum.

Belgian authorities had suggested that the ousted president could be granted asylum if he faced the threat of arrest in his home country. Former speaker Carme Forcadell did arrive at her office in Barcelona but only to announce parliament would be dissolving before she was ordered to 'immediately' hand herself over to police.

In another apparent climb down, Mr Puigdemont’s representative said his party would field candidates in the snap election on 21 December announced by Madrid. The party had said earlier that it did not respect the legitimacy of the election.

The extraordinary turn of events has shocked many in Catalonia, with unionists jubilant while many separatists reacted with a sense of anger and humiliation.

The Spanish prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, said that his plan for taking control of Catalonia was 'going well'.

READ MORE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030789/Carles-Puigdemont-posts-image-inside-Catalonia-parliament.html



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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #36 on: Oct 30, 2017, 07:05:52 pm »
 

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No guns? No independence...



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No guns? No independence...



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Nah m8,
The answer is Gandhi not Guns.
Guns are for problems like despots and tyrants Idie Amin.
Besides which, we should be careful for what we wish for, as outlined above in the "Heineken Plan"

If one person defeated the British Empire at the height of its powers, it was Gandhi.



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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
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Nah m8,
The answer is Gandhi not Guns.
Guns are for problems like despots and tyrants Idie Amin.
Besides which, we should be careful for what we wish for, as outlined above in the "Heineken Plan"

If one person defeated the British Empire at the height of its powers, it was Gandhi.



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Well, I'm not trying to knock down your argument or that Gandhi did some great things, but imperialism, in that form, was on the decline anyway. World opinion was in his favor. The Indians still kept the caste system by the way  :-\

In this instance I'm not implying violent protestors and anarchy in the streets with guns, but I think the federalis wouldn't have been so quick to take over had Catalonia had some form of militia ready to defend its "autonomous state."

Civil disobedience only goes so far. Hence, the Spanish federal government comes in with their guns.



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Ex-Catalan president 'is planning to copy Julian Assange and seek refuge in an embassy in Brussels to avoid charges in Spain'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5038337/Catalan-leader-vows-fight-extradition-bid.html

'The former Catalan president is planning to copy Julian Assange and seek refuge in an embassy in Brussels to avoid charges in Spain, it has been claimed.

Carles Puigdemont, who is said to be staying in a hotel in the Belgium capital, is facing the threat of arrest and extradition if he snubs a court summons in Madrid tomorrow to answer accusations of rebellion, sedition and embezzlement.

But reports in Spain are claiming the 'desperate' 54-year-old may now follow the path of Wikileaks founder Assange, who has been holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for more than five years after successfully claiming diplomatic asylum once inside.

A Spanish newspaper claimed the father-of-two could seek safe haven in a sympathetic embassy in Belgium or elsewhere to avoid immediate incarceration if he is forced back to Madrid, financial ruin and a possible 30 year jail sentence if convicted of rebellion.'


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Re: Spain’s Catalonia Declares Independence
« Reply #40 on: Nov 12, 2017, 03:14:08 am »
 

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Catalonia latest: 750,000 protesters descend on Barcelona demanding release of jailed separatist leaders

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-protesters-demand-release-of-jailed-separatist-leaders-catalonia-latest-a8050116.html

'Hundreds of thousands of Catalan independence supporters clogged central Barcelona on Saturday to demand the release of separatist leaders held in prison for their roles in the region's banned independence drive.

Wearing yellow ribbons on their lapels to signify support, they filled the length of the Avenue Marina that runs from the beach to Barcelona's iconic Sagrada Familia church, while the jailed leaders' families made speeches.

Catalonia's two main grassroots independence groups called the march, under the slogan "Freedom for the political prisoners", after their leaders were remanded in custody on charges of sedition last month.

Barcelona's police said that 750,000 people attended the rally. The protest is seen as a test of how the independence movement's support has fared since the Catalan government declared independence on 27 October, prompting Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy to fire its members, dissolve the regional parliament and call new elections for December.'


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