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Title: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on May 26, 2017, 01:37:29 pm
Today the High Court in Valjevo, Serbia rehabilitated Nikola Kalabić "Ras". During WW2 Kalabić commanded of Guard at Chetniks of General D. Mihailovic (1941-1946).



Head of the US military mission with the Chetnik commander Gen. Mihailovic, a colonel OSS A. Seitz gave his gun to  Kalabic as a sign of admiration for his bravery and his troops in the fight against the Germans.

Local prosecutor will appeal.
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 01, 2017, 02:25:54 pm
On this day in 1941, the Ustasha killed 300 Serbian children, women and men from Suvaja village in Croatia ( according Orthodox monk Atanasije Jevtic ).

(https://s9.postimg.org/efvpb5tmn/before-slaughter.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v3n7dnoe3/)
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 13, 2017, 02:50:21 pm
On this day in 1941 in Montenegro a rebellion broke out against the Italian fascist occupier.

The day before, under the Italian patronage, the puppet kingdom of Montenegro was declared.
This event was a great occasion for the insurrections (communists who had orders from the Party and Serbian nationalists). As in Serbia, the alliance did not last long and the Italian army quenched the uprising.
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 21, 2017, 03:05:41 pm
On the day of October 21, 1941

"Bloody fairy tail in Serbia": German Nazi occupiers for retribution shot over 2792 young Serbs. Even from High school. 270 pupils !

(https://s1.postimg.org/735rrte4xb/kragujevac_sumarice_1941.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

http://ww2today.com/20th-october-1941-wehrmacht-massacre-in-serbia



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September 16, 1941 Chief of the German Armed Forces High Command Field Marshal W. Keitel ordered retribution for 1 dead German will be shot 100 Serbs, Jews or Gypsies ... After returning from a "criminal expedition," the German army inflamed the ambush Serbian insurgents (Mihalovic's Chetniks and Tito's Partisans). There were 10 German soldiers killed and 26 wounded.

According to OKW, Wermacht killed nearly 3,000 people and 3 surrounding Serb villages were set on fire.

A Bloody fairytail

English translation
A Bloody Fairytale
It happened in a country of peasants
in the mountainous Balkans
a troop of schoolchildren
died a martyr's death
in one day.

In the same year
they all were born,
their school days went on the same way
to the same celebrations
they were taken together
vaccinated against the same ilnesses
and all died on the same day....

Poem by Desanka Maksimovic



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 18, 2017, 11:38:48 am
First time in UK Parliament

On Tuesday 14th November, a London-based charity invited an audience of hand-picked delegates to hear the House's maiden lecture on the genocide under the Ustashe regime. Organised by the Jasenovac and Holocause Memorial Foundation (JHMF), this landmark event broke the silence which has shrouded this harrowing chapter of history. Professor Srboljub Živanović made a warm welcoming address to the distinguished guests The president of the International Commission for the truth on Jasenovac, Prof Srboljub Živanović made a warm welcoming address to the distinguished guests [/caption] Dragana Tomašević, director of the JHMF, spoke of the historical setting and ideological background which allowed the creation of the monstrous new nation which emerged out of a third of the territory of Yugoslavia, after it had been overrun by the Third Reich in 1941 - the Independent State of Croatia. In waves of intensifying horror, Dragana described the prohibitions, lawlessness, inhumane treatment, torture, execution and mass murder of the population of Serbs, Jews, Roma and rebel communist Croats. No victims were spared, neither men nor women, babies nor children. Not all massacres took place in concentration camps like Jasenovac and the island of Pag, currently being marketed as a stag do destination. There were random acts of violence using natural phenomena such as the endless karast pits into which people were thrown alive. Over 2,200 people were killed in Srebrenica. An even higher number were killed in the villages of Drakulic, Sargovac and Motike in a single day without a single shot being fired, lead by a friar. David Sladek and Dragana Tomašević David












Sladek and Dragana Tomašević[/caption] In the centre of the room, in a circle of chairs, the presence of those survivors was felt in the form of photographic images. Czech photographer and journalist David Sladek, who had taken those emotionally charged images, retold survivors' testimonies who were children at the time. David spoke poignantly about the reason he decided to document the images and stories of these brave people who after years of suppression under Communist Yugoslavia, found the strength to speak out about the horrors they endured.o David told the painful stories of Dobrila Kukolj, Jovo Šarović and Danica Praštilo who were just children when they were thrust into the horrors of the daily sights of concentration camps. He vowed to continue to tell their story. Dragana continued her slide deck up to the present day. Not only have the true stories of these victims been suppressed within Yugoslavia and modern day Croatia but worse, Ustashe sentiment is on the rise and unchecked in the European Union's newest member state. She took questions from the audience at the end of the evening. n Despite coinciding with both Parliament Week and on the eve of a crucial Brexit vote, the committee room was full. It was kindly arranged by Stephen Pound, MP for Ealing North. Diplomats from many embassies, academics from Cambridge University, LSE and the British Library were joined by figures known in our community and further afield. This ancient seat of democracy has heard the events of some of the darkest periods of humanity. On Tuesday, words and images were shared in this place which finally breaks the silence on this unspoken genocide. Listening to these stories, I could not help but think of my own children who were as guilty of being Serbian as any of those helpless, impoverished figures who had experienced this horror once and forever. The lecture attracted widespread coverage in Serbian media, with the evening news of Serbia's public service broadcaster RTS featuring interviews: The truth about the unspoken genocide of Serbs, Jews and Roma during WW2 was for the first time heard in the UK Houses of Parliament by an audience of eminent figures.

http://www.ebritic.com/?p=638632



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Dec 16, 2017, 07:24:19 am
War Diary of OKW for the date December 16, 1941

"Serbia: Data on the enemy * in the Leskovac-Lebane area by airborne reconnaissance. In the area around Uzice from the broken bandits * new ones are being created. The bands from Krupanj are pulling towards the south. Gang bangs in the area of Nis. The enemy had 7 dead and 4 captured. Fighting still lasts ( like in Africa, Pacific...).

* Enemies and bandits are for German occupiers - Serbian resistance movements (or Chetniks under the command of Gen. Mihailovic or communist partisans under the command of "Tito" ).



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 27, 2018, 05:20:38 pm
Exhibition about Croat WW2 death camp to open at UN

First Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Ivica Dacic will officially open a Serbian-Jewish

"Jasenovac - the Right Not to Forget."

Source: B92, srbija.gov.rs Tuesday, January 23, 2018 | 15:21

(https://s13.postimg.org/xqfxhbwg7/1jasenovac.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

The Serbian government announced this on Tuesday, adding that the exhibition will be opened on January 25 at the United Nations building in New York City, organized by historians from seven countries.

The exhibition is the first staged at the UN by the GH7 international expert group of historians from seven countries, 72 years after the end of the Second World War.

The group is headed by is Gideon Greif, a world-renowned expert for Auschwitz, Majdanek, Jasenovac, and the Sonderkommandos, a statement said.

The coordinator of the Serbian-Jewish academic project "Jasenovac" is Ambassador Ljiljana Niksic, and the cooperation is based on the Memorandum of Understanding signed by the Ministry of Education of Serbia and the Holocaust Institute Shem Olam in March 2017, with the aim to jointly organize exhibitions, scientific conferences and education programs about Jasenovac.

"The exhibition represents a modest contribution to the preservation of the universal values of humanity and the global efforts of the UN in order to prevent the onset of the revision and rehabilitation of neo-Nazi and neo-fascist ideologies of exclusion and all forms of discrimination and fanaticism," the government said on its website.

The exhibition also supports UNICEF's efforts to protect the most vulnerable category of population by fostering the right of the child to a happy childhood, bearing in mind that Jasenovac was also a camp for children.

The main goal of the exhibition is to foster a culture of remembrance of Serbian, Jewish, Roma and anti-fascist victims of the Holocaust and genocide in Jasenovac, one of the most brutal and most notorious of the eight extermination camps set up during the Second World War.

Jasenovac was established and operated from 1941 until 1945 by the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH), a wartime entity ruled by the Ustasha regime, and was a place of mass imprisonment and killing of Serbs, Jews, and Roma.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 30, 2018, 04:46:24 pm
God and Croats with English subtitle













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Feb 22, 2018, 02:31:28 pm
On this day 1944, the British Prime Minister Government, Winston S. Churchill addressed Parliament:
"The communist element had the honor to be among the first, but as the movement grew in strength and in number, the process of change and unification took place, so the national conceptions of overbalance." In the Marshal Tito, the partisans found an exceptional leader, celebrated through the struggle for freedom. accident, and perhaps inevitably, these new forces came into conflict with those under the leadership of General D. Mihailovic. "

(https://s17.postimg.org/vvf2k09j3/cerciliidn.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Before giving the statement, PM Churchill showed it to FC  A. Eden, who suggested that it should be less powerful when Tito was praising, for Tito could then have thought that the British government was so pleased with him that it was not necessary to make any concessions in cooperation with the Yugoslav king in exile Petar II Karadjordjevic.

(according to American publicist Walter R. Roberts)



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Feb 28, 2018, 04:27:16 pm
On this day 2/28. 1941. Belgrade

Yugoslav Regent Pavle Karadjordjevic receives a deposition from the Yugoslav deputy in the USSR Milan Gavrilovic:
The Soviet Union really wants a war in the Balkans, although publicly declares the contrary.

(https://s14.postimg.org/b54ix8529/Knez_Pavle_pocasni_udarac.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/b54ix8525/)



The reasons are:
1.The new Balkan front means that the war is expanding and prolonging, which is general exhaustion and weakening in favor of the Soviets.
2. The new Balkan front contributes to the weakening of Germany, while the Soviet Union remains intact.
3. The new Balkan front opens its opportunity to intervene at a suitable moment without great risk, i.e. to descend south to the seaside, which is at the moment the most important and most accurate for her. "

(source: Archives of Prince Paul from Columbia University (USA), microfilms stored in the Archives of Serbia, Belgrade)



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 06, 2018, 02:27:38 pm
On this day 1941 Belgrade

After returning from Berlin, the Yugoslav Regent Pavle Karadjordjevic convened a Crown Council consisting of ministers of important ministries and legitimate representatives of Croats and Slovenes in Yugoslavia. Regent Pavle said Hitler persuaded him for four hours that Yugoslavia joins the Axis Pact or else...

(https://s14.postimg.org/3mv2ngywh/Knez-namesnik-_Pavle-u-pakardu.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

After hearing the interim head of state, ministers from all three nations agreed that it would be better for Yugoslavia to join the Pact than to refuse to lead to war with Hitler's Germany and other fascist allies in the Balkans (although Greece was fighting against Albania against the Italian aggressor ).
However, on the proposal of the head of diplomacy Cincar-Markovic, the Crown Council concluded that Yugoslavia will joining the Pact of the Axis Powers with the following conditions:
1) respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia;
2) Yugoslavia will not submit military assistance, nor transport troops through the country;
3) in the new arrangement of Europe, take into account the interests of Yugoslavia for free access to the Agey Sea over Thessaloniki ,Greece.
Minister Cincar-Markovic submitted these conditions to the following day Nazi ambassador in Belgrade von Horen.

source: Archive of Yugoslavia- now Serbia in Belgrade.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 23, 2018, 03:54:45 pm
March 1943. occupied Bosnia and Herzegovina

(https://s17.postimg.org/b7zhndyr3/martovskipregopvori1943.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Negotiations between Communist Partizans under command of " Tito" and German officers during WW2

Negotiations allegedly for the purpose of "exchanging POW`s ", and in fact the goal was truce and talked about cooperation in the fight against the Chetniks which had been recognized as their commander the Yugoslav military minister General Draza Mihailovic (at his staff in Montenegro the official British military mission has been accredited !!!)

When Hitler and Stalin found out about the negotiations, they were interrupted but ...

https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=78201

source: Yugoslav Col. Mišo Lekovic "Martovski pregovori"



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 25, 2018, 04:00:39 pm

On this day 1941 in Vienna, under huge Hitler`s and Mussolini`s pressure , Yugoslavia signed Pact with Axis Forces

After Yugoslav PM D. Cvetkovic announced over Radio Belgrade that " peace is saved" for Yugoslavia and newspapers printed every Annex of Pact with Nazis, hundreds citizens of Belgrade came on the streets to protest against Pact with Germany and Italy.

(https://s17.postimg.org/tnv1592fz/1martovskedemonstracije1941.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


When Tito and their Communist Party installed on power in 1944. he lied to the death that Communists organized protests in Belgrade against Yugoslav treaty with Fascists. When Dictator died in 1980. his comrade tell the truth " we could not organize such large protests such been in Belgrade in 3/25/1941".



Last Edit by Humphrey
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 27, 2018, 01:25:19 pm
On this day 1941 in Vienna, under huge Hitler`s and Mussolini`s pressure , Yugoslavia signed Pact with Axis Forces

After Yugoslav PM D. Cvetkovic announced over Radio Belgrade that " peace is saved" for Yugoslavia and newspapers printed every Annex of Pact with Nazis, hundreds citizens of Belgrade came on the streets to protest against Pact with Germany and Italy.

(https://s17.postimg.org/tnv1592fz/1martovskedemonstracije1941.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


When Tito and their Communist Party installed on power in 1944. he lied to the death that Communists organized protests in Belgrade against Yugoslav treaty with Fascists. When Dictator died in 1980. his comrade tell the truth " we could not organize such large protests such been in Belgrade in 3/25/1941".



Last Edit by Larry

In the night 1941. SERBIAN Officers of Yugoslav Army overthrow the Government in Belgrade because they signed Pact with Axis Powers.
Organizer of coupe: General of Air force Borivoje Mirkovic. Putschists arrested almost everybody who participated in making decision to join Nazi Germany and other Fascist states in military alliance ( Regent Pavle Karadjordjevic, PM D. Cvetkovic, FM Cincar-Markovic,
minister of Army...Gen. Pesic, Chief of Joint Staff Gen. Petar Kosic....) and and the Communists released them from prisons.

Unfortunately, there is one victim of putsch. One gendarme near Belgrade refuse to let in Radio Station and he was killed.

Putschists found young Prince Petar II Karadjordjevic (17) and make him a King of Yugoslavia.

The Serbian people was happy and went to the streets to celebrate fall of Pact with Hitler and new young King Petar II.

In the Mourning Hitler find out what happened in Belgrade and that was declaration of war to him and other German`s Allies.

Even some of Serbian Orthodox Church helped the coup like Patriarch Gavrilo, bishop Nikolaj Velimirovic...Freemasons are celebrated,
British celebrated ( SOE even claimed that they organized the coup ) but Catholic Archbishop of Zagreb A. Stepinac was anger, US Colonel Charles Lindbergh accused director of OSS W. Donovan that he personally organized the coup in Belgrade...











P.S. After the Allies installed on power in Yugoslavia Sec. of Communist Party Marshal "Tito" in 1944. from then Communist lied a 50 years that they in fact organized the coup. One leading Communist said that Party could not organized such event or make that so much people go to the streets of Belgrade.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 03, 2018, 02:54:23 pm
On this day in 1941, Hungarian PM , Count Pal Teleki, committed suicide because of his country's decision to join Hitler's attack on Yugoslavia, despite the Treaty of Eternal Friendship and Peace that Hungary and Yugoslavia concluded four months earlier.

(https://s18.postimg.org/5o9gq63pl/teleki-i-pakt.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/7sttr95c5/)

In a farewell letter sent to the regent of the Kingdom of Hungary, Admiral Miklos Horti, Teleki stated:

"Excellency, we have violated the word - from cowardice, which is contrary to the Treaty of Eternal Friendship, based on your speech in Mohacs. The nation feels it, and we have rejected our honesty." We stood on the side of the fellow, because of the horrors of the present not one word of the truth, neither is it done against the Hungarians or against the Germans, and we have become the worst, the most naïve nation, I can not come back, I'm guilty, Pal Teleki. "



Last Edit by Humphrey
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 05:02:38 am
In the night 1941. SERBIAN Officers of Yugoslav Army overthrow the Government in Belgrade because they signed Pact with Axis Powers.
Organizer of coupe: General of Air force Borivoje Mirkovic. Putschists arrested almost everybody who participated in making decision to join Nazi Germany and other Fascist states in military alliance ( Regent Pavle Karadjordjevic, PM D. Cvetkovic, FM Cincar-Markovic,
minister of Army...Gen. Pesic, Chief of Joint Staff Gen. Petar Kosic....) and and the Communists released them from prisons.

Unfortunately, there is one victim of putsch. One gendarme near Belgrade refuse to let in Radio Station and he was killed.

Putschists found young Prince Petar II Karadjordjevic (17) and make him a King of Yugoslavia.

The Serbian people was happy and went to the streets to celebrate fall of Pact with Hitler and new young King Petar II.

In the Mourning Hitler find out what happened in Belgrade and that was declaration of war to him and other German`s Allies.

Even some of Serbian Orthodox Church helped the coup like Patriarch Gavrilo, bishop Nikolaj Velimirovic...Freemasons are celebrated,
British celebrated ( SOE even claimed that they organized the coup ) but Catholic Archbishop of Zagreb A. Stepinac was anger, US Colonel Charles Lindbergh accused director of OSS W. Donovan that he personally organized the coup in Belgrade...











P.S. After the Allies installed on power in Yugoslavia Sec. of Communist Party Marshal "Tito" in 1944. from then Communist lied a 50 years that they in fact organized the coup. One leading Communist said that Party could not organized such event or make that so much people go to the streets of Belgrade.



Last Edit by Gladstone

On this day 1941, Hitler and Mussolini and his Fascist Allies , without declaration of war, attacked Yugoslavia because Serbs
overthrow the Government in Belgrade who signed Military Pact with Axis Powers.













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 05:18:21 am
And so sealed the fate of Operation Barbarossa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa) . . .



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 05:30:43 am
And so sealed the fate of Operation Barbarossa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa) . . .



Last Edit by Palmerston

I learned in school that German attack on Yugoslavia delayed Nazi Invasion on Soviet Russia but some historians saying different.  :-\



Last Edit by Gladstone
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 05:58:11 am
I learned in school that German attack on Yugoslavia delayed Nazi Invasion on Soviet Russia but some historians saying different.  :-\



Last Edit by Palmerston

It was always a doomed enterprise.

It is interesting how many myths still circulate to this day. Mostly spread by the German Generals that survived the war, putting the blame for their mistakes on dead Hitler.

The problem is that a generation of armchair WW2 experts seem to think the Axis should have won, that they only lost because :

* Russians outnumbered the Germans
* Shortage of Tanks, especially Tiger I
* No retreat orders by Hitler
* Declaring War on the USA
* Russian Winter

And other stuff which is just not true.

America only provide about 25% of Allied Troops, the Tiger I was a terrible tank, it was General Manstein that forbade the retreat from Stalingrad, and the Russian soldiers had the same weather as the German soldiers. Lastly, the Axis outnumbered the Red Army in the first half of the war.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 06:21:51 am
It was always a doomed enterprise.

It is interesting how many myths still circulate to this day. Mostly spread by the German Generals that survived the war, putting the blame for their mistakes on dead Hitler.

The problem is that a generation of armchair WW2 experts seem to think the Axis should have won, that they only lost because :

* Russians outnumbered the Germans
* Shortage of Tanks, especially Tiger I
* No retreat orders by Hitler
* Declaring War on the USA
* Russian Winter

And other stuff which is just not true.

America only provide about 25% of Allied Troops, the Tiger I was a terrible tank, it was General Manstein that forbade the retreat from Stalingrad, and the Russian soldiers had the same weather as the German soldiers. Lastly, the Axis outnumbered the Red Army in the first half of the war.



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EG, you are the first person I knew who said that German tank "Tiger I was terrible tank".

"Declaring war on USA". Inside job on Pearl Harbor which ordered President FDR to convince public to go to war against Nazis and Japan.
Hitler just want to declare war on USA before USA declare war on Germany.
Russian winter. Why every German offensive began in Summer ? It is simple. To avoid cold winter in Russia which Russians better tolerate
that low temperature.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 06:43:52 am
EG, you are the first person I knew who said that German tank "Tiger I was terrible tank".

"Declaring war on USA". Inside job on Pearl Harbor which ordered President FDR to convince public to go to war against Nazis and Japan.
Hitler just want to declare war on USA before USA declare war on Germany.
Russian winter. Why every German offensive began in Summer ? It is simple. To avoid cold winter in Russia which Russians better tolerate
that low temperature.



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* Because of Treaty, Germany had to declare war after Pearl Harbor - no choice.
* Russian Winter weather was identical for Russian Troops as Axis troops - no excuses.

* Tiger 1 was shit....

It cost to much money, 250,800 for Tiger I, whereas StuG III cost 82,500 (1/3 cost)
It broke down all the time
It was a nightmare to maintain, try changing wheel or track on Tiger... LOL
Only highly trained experienced soldiers could use Tiger
Its wheels clogged with mud, which once frozen wheels locked....
It drank fuel by the gallons.. fuel axis did not have.
It was too slow cross country.
It could not store enough ammunition
It had trouble with bridges
It had trouble with getting on a Train
Axis not believe in tanks, actually they had StuG III (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/StuGIII.jpg)

Nazi-Fanboyz also forget Tank Tactics basics



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 06:59:48 am
* Because of Treaty, Germany had to declare war after Pearl Harbor - no choice.
* Russian Winter weather was identical for Russian Troops as Axis troops - no excuses.

* Tiger 1 was shit....

It cost to much money.
It broke down all the time
It was a nightmare to maintain, try changing wheel or track on Tiger... LOL
Only highly trained experienced soldiers could use Tiger
Its wheels clogged with mud, which once frozen wheels locked....
It drank fuel by the gallons.. fuel axis did not have.
It was too slow cross country.
It could not store enough ammunition
It had trouble with bridges
It had trouble with getting on a Train

Nazi-Fanboyz also forget Tank Tactics basics



Last Edit by Palmerston

Treaty ? Japan was part of Treaty and never declare war to USSR.
Germans with their Blitzkrieg ! always attack in Russians in Summer.Why ? Russians submit better "their winter". :)

I did not know that about "Tiger I". I am not military historian. 8)
I always listen that tank is best.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 07:13:57 am
Treaty ? Japan was part of Treaty and never declare war to USSR.
Germans with their Blitzkrieg ! always attack in Russians in Summer.Why ? Russians submit better "their winter". :)

I did not know that about "Tiger I". I am not military historian. 8)
I always listen that tank is best.



Last Edit by Palmerston

Reason Stalin had problems in early part of war, was because 1/2 army was in reserve in case Japan attacked.
During first part of war, when Axis advance, they out numbered the Red Army in the field.

Nazi Fanboyz think glorious clever Axis advance all the way to Moscow despite being out numbered by "hordes" of Red Army <--- Bull Shit.

50% of Red Army other side of Sibera in case Japan attacked.

The Numbers Say it All
The Myth of German Superiority on the WW2 Eastern Front














Last Edit by Humphrey
Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 07:19:52 am
Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 09:14:24 am
EG, just one statement and we back on TIK.  8)

I am interesting in WW2. Not so much in global. After all, "good guys" win. "Bad guys" lost.

About WW2 we in Belgrade ( in those days Communist Yugoslavia ), we can read a books, watch a movies, read a comic
books, watch a documentary movies ( foreign and domestic ), but "Something rotten in state Yugoslavia". What is "rotten" ?
History of Yugoslavia in WW2: BS  Communist Propaganda wrote by Tito and his Secret police. Yes . Indeed.
Somebody will told, Tito and his Communist Party forge history to maintain peace between  Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Muslims,
Albanians...But they forget, after Dictator Tito died the truth about WW2 come to resurrection ( Civil war between Royal Guerilla
( Chetniks ) under command of Gen. Mihailovic, Communist Guerilla ( Partizans ) under command of J.B. "Tito", then Croatian Nazis ( Ustashi )
movement under command of Ante Pavelic who responsible for Genocide over 700000 Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, Croatian Communists...in
"Balkan Auschwitz" - Jasenovac, role of Serbian PM Gen. Milan Nedic, Muslim Fascists and their SS divisions, "support" of Allies to Serbian
resistance...)
So, I start study "other side of story" and I discovered amazing things. Like your friend TIK.

I watched TIK. He is right. Germans not lost war because of mad Supreme Commander Adolf Hitler. I watched on some documentary how
"Battle of Moscow" was won. At soon Stalin was 100% sure that Japanese Army do not invade USSR, he pull over half of Red Army from
Siberia and Germans must to retreat and wait to waiting for the winter to pass. To avoid frostbite on the arms and legs, frozen fuel in
Russians do not wait Spring and attacked Germans ( even with paratroopers ) ...Next great German offensive was in JUNE 1942 ( operation: Braunschweig ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Braunschweig



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 06, 2018, 11:20:37 am
EG, just one statement and we back on TIK.  8)

I am interesting in WW2. Not so much in global. After all, "good guys" win. "Bad guys" lost.

About WW2 we in Belgrade ( in those days Communist Yugoslavia ), we can read a books, watch a movies, read a comic
books, watch a documentary movies ( foreign and domestic ), but "Something rotten in state Yugoslavia". What is "rotten" ?
History of Yugoslavia in WW2: BS  Communist Propaganda wrote by Tito and his Secret police. Yes . Indeed.
Somebody will told, Tito and his Communist Party forge history to maintain peace between  Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Muslims,
Albanians...But they forget, after Dictator Tito died the truth about WW2 come to resurrection ( Civil war between Royal Guerilla
( Chetniks ) under command of Gen. Mihailovic, Communist Guerilla ( Partizans ) under command of J.B. "Tito", then Croatian Nazis ( Ustashi )
movement under command of Ante Pavelic who responsible for Genocide over 700000 Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, Croatian Communists...in
"Balkan Auschwitz" - Jasenovac, role of Serbian PM Gen. Milan Nedic, Muslim Fascists and their SS divisions, "support" of Allies to Serbian
resistance...)
So, I start study "other side of story" and I discovered amazing things. Like your friend TIK.

I watched TIK. He is right. Germans not lost war because of mad Supreme Commander Adolf Hitler. I watched on some documentary how
"Battle of Moscow" was won. At soon Stalin was 100% sure that Japanese Army do not invade USSR, he pull over half of Red Army from
Siberia and Germans must to retreat and wait to waiting for the winter to pass. To avoid frostbite on the arms and legs, frozen fuel in
Russians do not wait Spring and attacked Germans ( even with paratroopers ) ...Next great German offensive was in JUNE 1942 ( operation: Braunschweig ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Braunschweig



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A+

A very good summary.

In england we only here the german officers story, nothing from Russia until after collapse of soviet union in 1990.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 06, 2018, 01:40:34 pm
A+

A very good summary.

In england we only here the german officers story, nothing from Russia until after collapse of soviet union in 1990.



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One Serbian journalist go to Russia in 1990. when open Archives of Communist Internationale. He found it lot of documents
about Great Purge and role of Tito ( snitch ).

https://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalin/videos/stalins-purges

Also some Historians get access to history document but some "historians" want Archive of KGB to be open but...



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 09, 2018, 02:21:07 pm
Easter 1944. "Free Serbian Mountains"

"I congratulate all the officers and soldiers of our brave army for the forthcoming holy holidays of Christ's Resurrection, with the desire for an almost happy ending of the just battle that has been going on for the fourth year. Let all these bright holidays of Christ's Resurrection give us new incentives to win the final victory for the good of our people and our favorite King, who on his young shoulders abroad bear the heavy burden of care and business for his people, his country, and let us bring all these holidays to all of us more elana, strength and styles, to persevere to the final victory, which will depend on the future of the people. We have had a lot of time and many difficulties, and there is still a short time before the liberation of freedom. Better days will come to the whole nation.
Heroes, you have long and fierce battles so far fascinated the whole world. I hope and rightly expect that your heroine heart and steel muscles will show you from now on that you were worthy of admiration and respect. Our people are expecting you from freedom. You need generations to live.

(https://s18.postimg.org/q5gojm8kp/Draza-sa-svestenicima-pictures-from-_NAW-040-6.-sept-44.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Heroes, be proud and gordy that fate has assigned us this difficult task, but a task full of fame and honor. Just ahead, victory is ours. Difficulties are transient. I'm with you.

Christ is Risen, Heroes!

To live His Majesty King Peter the Second! "

Army General , Chetnik Commander and Yugoslav Army Minister

Dragoljub M. Mihailović



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 10, 2018, 08:33:43 am
Also same day 4/10 on Radio Zagreb one of the leader Ustashe former Austro-Hungarina Colonel Slavko Kvaternik declared independent
State of Croatia ( NDH ).



Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 16, 2018, 05:19:36 am
On this day 1944, on Christian Orthodox Easter, at the request of Tito`s Communists (who had an official military mission with the Allies), Supreme Allied Commander for the Mediterranean Gen. Wilson ordered a bombing Belgrade and later larger cities in Serbia.
In the destruction of the occupied Belgrade, 2000-3000 Serb civilians and several dozen German soldiers were killed by bombs of 600 US B-17 and B-24 ( "Flying fortress" ).  :(



https://mightynose.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/16-april-1944-usa-gb-bombing-christian-allies-on-easter-sunday/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 17, 2018, 05:10:33 pm
We back in 1941.
Although, Yugoslav Army capitulated in 4/17 and every Yugoslav officer and soldier got the order to surrend nearest German, Italian or Hungarian military unit, one small unit of Yugoslav Army ( 90% Serbs) under command of Colonel Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic refuse to surrend and continue movement from Bosnia to Serbia where they will be center of future great guerilla, known as Chetniks.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/qvxz3il6h/prvisnimaksa_Ravne_Gore.png) (https://postimages.org/)

"I do not know word as Capitulation in Serbian Dictionary. We continue to fight....Long live the King and our British Allies !!!

https://books.google.rs/books?id=54reCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT434&lpg=PT434&dq=draZA+MIHAILOVIC+LONG+LIVE+KING&source=bl&ots=Ryw8PJpCXm&sig=dzQ6a9lDKxYl92DiCWkgdtt78u8&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNyay7qcLaAhWPe8AKHRm0DKIQ6AEIUDAI#v=onepage&q=draZA MIHAILOVIC LONG LIVE KING&f=false



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 27, 2018, 03:46:15 pm
President of Croatia Kolinda Grabar Kitarovic does not like number of victims in Death camp Jasenovac- 700000 Serbs, 100000 Jews, Gypsies and Croat Communists. She want International Commission to again number killings in  " Balkan Auschwitz".

(https://s18.postimg.cc/igozn5amh/kolindai_Jasenoacprebrojavanje.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


https://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2018&mm=04&dd=25&nav_id=104015



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on May 03, 2018, 04:49:15 pm
CNN about Jasenovac













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on May 18, 2018, 09:09:48 pm
On this day of 1941, German soldiers wooed posters in occupied Belgrade, threatening to arrest 100 Serbs for one German soldier and hanged !
That are deeds of Gen. Eberhart Trunert on the orders of Commander of the 2nd Army of General von List.

However, when Germans attacked the USSR, according to Stalin's directive, the Communist Party of Yugoslavia established the Resistance Movement ("Partizans") and began firing on German soldiers in Serbia.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on May 31, 2018, 09:22:18 am
On this day 1941. Croatian and Muslim Ustashas continue genocide against Serbs in city of Mostar and start murdering in
Herzegovina after Italian Army leaving this province.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/jik7u6csf/ustaseu_Mostaru.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Ustashas under command of I. Hocevar arrest reputable Serbs, municipal officials from Mostar, killed them and threw them into the Neretva River.

source: ret. Yugoslav officer S. Skoko



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jun 06, 2018, 06:13:32 am
On this day 1941. Croatian and Muslim Ustashas continue genocide against Serbs in city of Mostar and start murdering in
Herzegovina after Italian Army leaving this province.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/jik7u6csf/ustaseu_Mostaru.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Ustashas under command of I. Hocevar arrest reputable Serbs, municipal officials from Mostar, killed them and threw them into the Neretva River.

source: ret. Yugoslav officer S. Skoko



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On this day in 1941. Serbian Uprising in eastern Herzegovina













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 07, 2018, 05:20:01 pm
On today's day in Serbia in 1941, according to the official history, "the liberation war started for the liberation of Yugoslavia from the fascist occupation and their "servants"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_in_Serbia_(1941)

The order was issued by the USSR, which was attacked by Germans and the headman of Communist Party of Yugoslavia
J. Broz "Tito" transferred Directive to membership and activists ( 1500-2500 in whole Yugoslavia ) to start fight.
Since Serbia did not want to endorse the Nazi occupation, and the Serbs are also Russophiles , the "Uprising"
initiate "Liberation" was commenced by a political commissar of a one partisan company, Zivadin Jovanovic called "Spaniard". In one village he killed two Serbian gendarmes - Sergeant B. Loncar and Corporal M. Brakovic.

(https://s22.postimg.cc/3vyq0bt29/spanac.png) (https://postimages.org/)

But there is the other side of story.

"Report of the Gendarmerie Command on the situation in the country", which was submitted to the Commissioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, M. Acimovic.
"Killed Loncar K. Bogdan, gendarmerie sergeant and Brankovic K. Milenko, gendarmerie corporal from the Bela Crkva...

(https://s22.postimg.cc/4znfq3noh/-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Sgt. Bogdan Loncar and Corporal Milenko Brakovic

"This day in the village of Bela Crkva ... it was a festival. As the villagers were told that forbearance was forbidden, they began to disperse. Around 17h suddenly a group of 15 people armed with rifles appeared, led by a bandit in a civil coat, with a red star on the rim ....
When they came to the peasants who were about to go to their homes, the communist leader ordered them to gather and then started talking about Stalin and Soviet Russia, and then how to accept weapons and join them, to carry out sabotage, and at the same time no one goes to the towel and does not pay taxes.
After the speech was finished, this band moved away, and a gendarmerie patrol was found shortly thereafter, comprised of gendarmerie sergeant Bogdan Loncar, commander of Zavlaka station and gendarmerie corporal Milenko Brankovic.

The president of the municipality immediately informed them that a few minutes before their arrival there were apostates. While he was still explaining to them where the rebels appeared and where they left, two bandits suddenly appeared before them: Cvetin Soldatovic, from Pastavia, with a pointed revolver, and another peasant holding his rifle in his hand.

The exiles screamed at the gendarmes and called them to lay down their weapons. The gendarms quickly took the rifles ready and, fired at one shot in the air, called the bandits to lay down their weapons, but they used the fact that the gendarmeries did not want to shoot at them, and from the revolver, and the rifle, they were gnawing at the gendarmes deadly by wounding them in chest and abdomen.

Sergeant Loncar fell immediately dead, and Corporal Brankovic, who was still giving signs of life, fired the bandits with several shots in the head. Having taken weapons and ammunition from the killed gendarmerie and robbed them, these two communist bandits went into the woods and joined the others waiting there. "

Source: Military Archive, Nedic's Archive, Gendarmerie Command, July 26, 1941, "Reports on the situation in the country of the Ministry of Internal Affairs" (No. reg 3 / 1-2, k-52)

Transfered from the profile of the profile of the Colonel of the Army of Serbia Novica Stevanovic

P.S. Few years ago, Couort in Serbia were rehabilitated Serbian gendarmes Loncar and Brakovic.



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http://vidovdan.org/istorija/the-albanian-muslim-battalion-in-the-bosnian-muslim-handchar-nazi-ss-division-kosovo-albanian-nazi-ss-tradition/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 23, 2018, 11:21:22 am
Cetinje, Monte Negro 1941.

On the night of May 21 and 22, the Italian occupier with Montenegrin separatists and collaborators destroyed the monument to former Yugoslav king Aleksandar Karadjordjevic (The work of the Croatian sculptor and freemason I. Meštrović )

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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 26, 2018, 04:19:27 pm
7/13 1941. MonteNegro

The reason for the uprising of the people in Montenegro was that the Italian occupier declared the puppet Independent Kingdom of Montenegro.
However, pro-Russian Serb nationalists and communists joined together against Mussolini's fascists.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/montenegro-urged-to-finance-chetnik-commander-monument-08-08-2017



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 27, 2018, 02:59:41 pm
on today's day in 1941 in the village of SRB "the uprising of the people of Croatia against fascism and their collaborations officially began".



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 29, 2018, 04:39:12 pm
on today's day in 1941 in the village of SRB "the uprising of the people of Croatia against fascism and their collaborations officially began".



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Just as Croatian and Serbian communists defended Serbian civilians from the Ustasha in that part of today's Croatia, there are no Serbs other than the elderly - 1600 slaughtered Serbs and drop in the pits.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/dl2wfzt1h/ustasebacaju_Srbeujameoriginal_Livanjskipokolj.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Original photo

https://omlivanjska.com/english/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 30, 2018, 07:21:32 pm
Soviet spies in UK













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 07, 2018, 08:38:31 am
We back in 1941.
Although, Yugoslav Army capitulated in 4/17 and every Yugoslav officer and soldier got the order to surrend nearest German, Italian or Hungarian military unit, one small unit of Yugoslav Army ( 90% Serbs) under command of Colonel Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic refuse to surrend and continue movement from Bosnia to Serbia where they will be center of future great guerilla, known as Chetniks.

(https://s18.postimg.cc/qvxz3il6h/prvisnimaksa_Ravne_Gore.png) (https://postimages.org/)

"I do not know word as Capitulation in Serbian Dictionary. We continue to fight....Long live the King and our British Allies !!!

https://books.google.rs/books?id=54reCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT434&lpg=PT434&dq=draZA+MIHAILOVIC+LONG+LIVE+KING&source=bl&ots=Ryw8PJpCXm&sig=dzQ6a9lDKxYl92DiCWkgdtt78u8&hl=sr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNyay7qcLaAhWPe8AKHRm0DKIQ6AEIUDAI#v=onepage&q=draZA MIHAILOVIC LONG LIVE KING&f=false



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Serbian Media: US Congressman T. Poe (R-TX) Requests Serbia to Declassify Documents on Gen. Draza Mihailovic’s Execution

https://www.balkaninsider.com/serbian-media-us-congressman-poe-r-tx-requests-serbia-to-declassify-documents-on-draza-mihailovics-execution/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 01, 2018, 04:54:02 pm
8/31 1941. Serbia
Chetniks under the command of lieutenant colonel Veselin Misitа have liberated the city of Loznica from the Germans.
In the fierce battle, Serbian commander Misita was killed.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/co611lx5r/ppuk_Veselin_Misita.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/lj6vc4ly3/)image share (https://postimages.org/)
Hero: Lietunant Colonel Veselin Misita ( 1904 - 1941 )

Loznica first liberated city in Nazi occupied Europe ?



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 03, 2018, 06:50:35 pm

On this day in 1939, Yugoslavia declared neutrality.

Maybe the authorities in Belgrade had information that the USSR would attack Poland from the east?



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 06, 2018, 12:11:07 pm
London Calling: Yugoslav King Petar II Karadjordjevic talks to Serbs, Croats and Slovenes.

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Listening his King in free Serbia : Commander of Chetniks Col. "Draza" Mihailovic and his deputy Major D. Vasic

After town of Loznica, rebels liberated town Krupanj...Colonel Mihailovic found radio amateur to fix radio station,
Serbian PM General Milan Nedic asking the Serbian people to stop the rebellion because Hitler will punish whole
people but uprising against Nazi occupation is escalate



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 15, 2018, 06:36:36 pm
On today's day in 1941 in Belgrade

Due to the escalation of the uprising in Serbia, German occupiers form, from the pro-fascist movement Zbor, the Serbian Volunteer Unit (SDK).

Their task was to fight communist partisans under the command of "Tito" in order to prevent Nazi reprisals against Serb civilians.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 01, 2018, 02:17:44 pm
On this day of 1941.

Mihailovic's Chetniks under the command of Captain Jovan Deroko ( 29 ! ) liberated the city of Cacak from the German occupation.

(https://i.postimg.cc/G3vZqQWC/oslobodjenje_Cacka1941.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

In accordance with the agreement Mihailovic-Tito, the city of Cacak had two commands: Chetniks and Partisans.

Despite this agreement, the tensions between the Chetniks and the Communists grew every day, although the rebels went from Cacak to the siege of Kraljevo, near which a military airport was located.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 20, 2018, 06:29:49 pm
On this day in 1944.

The Soviet Army, with the help of communist partisans, ended the Nazi occupation of Belgrade.
However, according to Generalisimus Stalin's order, this Red Army operation was carried out to install in Belgrade
the unlimited rule of Marshal Josip Broz, better known as "Tito" and his Communist Party of Yugoslavia.

Another enemy of the Germans, General D. Mihailovic moved to Bosnia with his headquarters and US military mission earlier to avoid capture by RA.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 21, 2018, 03:30:17 pm
October 1941  Kragujevac ,Serbia













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 10, 2019, 12:04:01 pm
Austrian Church Bans Mass at Bleiburg Commemoration

Anja Vladisavljevic
Zagreb
BIRN
March 8, 2019

An Austrian diocese banned a Catholic mass near the town of Bleiburg during annual commemorations of the killing of Croatian Nazi collaboration troops and civilians captured at the end of WWII, saying the event is being used for nationalist purposes.




An event commemorating the 70-year anniversary of the massacre in Bleiburg, May 2015. Photo: EPA/OSKAR HOEHER.

The Catholic Church in Carinthia in Austria on Friday rejected a request from the Croatian Bishops’ Conference to hold an annual mass at Loibacher field near Bleiburg in May because it said the event is being used to promote nationalist ideas.

“The mass in the field near Bleiburg has become part of a manifestation that is politically instrumentalised and is part of a political-nationalistic ritual that serves a selective experience and interpretation of history,” said a letter signed by Engelbert Guggenberger, interim administrator of the Diocese of Gurk-Klagenfurt, explaining the decision.

The letter also said that the event undermines the Catholic Church’s reputation.

Symbols of the WWII fascist Ustasa movement have often been seen at the annual Croatian right-wing gathering in Bleiburg, which commemorates the tens of thousands of Nazi-allied Croatian troops and civilians killed by Yugoslav Partisans in 1945.

At the Bleiburg commemoration in 2018, Austrian police arrested seven people and filed nine complaints about violations of the country’s law against praising fascism.

“As every year, the Croatian bishops’ conference has to ask for permission to hold worship at Bleiburg. Unlike the previous years the current interim bishop Guggenberger… did not allow the worship to happen,” Austrian anti-nationalist organisation AK Pliberk/Bleiburg told BIRN.

“He argues that the last year’s terms [for holding a mass at the event], such as no nationalistic propaganda, formulated by the diocese of Carinthia, were not met by the organisers of the gathering in Bleiburg last year and that the gathering harms the reputation of the diocese,” AK Pliberk/Bleiburg added.

In May 2016, the Croatian parliament decided to reintroduce state sponsorship of the Bleiburg event after it was withdrawn in 2012 due to concerns that it served to rehabilitate the ideology of the Ustasa regime.  >:(

Earlier this year, Austrian Interior Ministry banned the display of two Croatian Ustasa movement symbols – the letter ‘U’ with a grenade, and the checkerboard coat of arms of the Nazi-backed WWII-era Independent State of Croatia.   :)

The ban came into force on March 1, and the fines for violating it will be up to 4,000 euros, or 10,000 euros for repeat offenders, Austrian media have reported.
The list of banned symbols also includes those of Hamas, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Turkish ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves organisation. It expands an existing ban on the use of al-Qaida and ISIS symbols.

https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/08/austrian-church-bans-mass-at-bleiburg-commemoration/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Mar 13, 2019, 03:48:33 pm
On the present day 1946 (the then Tito's Yugoslavia),
The Communist Secret Police (OZNa) was coated in Chetnik uniforms and captured Chetnik commander General Draza Mihailovic ( former Minister of Army...in Yugoslav Exile Government ) with the help of a prominent Chetnik officer (read: treason).
The Communists killed his loyal soldiers in their place. Nor "Serbian Judah" did not survive that night.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J0dVfF7K/Oznasi-Draza.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Yugoslav Tyrant Marshal Tito, having learned of a successful action, left the country and left his deputy, A. Rankovic, to publicly announce the news. So it seemed that the Serbs caught Gen. Mihailovic and not Croat Josip Broz "Tito".

After the Show Trial (organized by communist tyrant Tito), the Military "court" is Gen. Dragoljub Mihailovic sentenced to death.
OZNа shot him at an unknown location.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 20, 2019, 01:28:16 pm
4/20 1941. German soldiers gave birthday present from Sarajevo to their Furher Adolf Hitler: commemorative plaque for heroism Gavrilo Princip in 1914.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nLdsPhPq/poklonza-Hitlera.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Unfortunately, Hitler's birthday in the small town of Pancevo near Belgrade, Serbs and Jews was paid in blood in the following days.
To be continued...



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: EvadingGrid on Apr 20, 2019, 04:49:29 pm
wow

That is an amazing photo.
I had no idea.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Apr 29, 2019, 03:16:21 pm
4/20 1941. German soldiers gave birthday present from Sarajevo to their Furher Adolf Hitler: commemorative plaque for heroism Gavrilo Princip in 1914.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nLdsPhPq/poklonza-Hitlera.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Unfortunately, Hitler's birthday in the small town of Pancevo near Belgrade, Serbs and Jews was paid in blood in the following days.
To be continued...



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April 22, 1941, at the Orthodox cemetery in Pancevo, Serbia

On that day, the soldiers of the German Wermacht and Germans from Pancevo killed 36 Serbs in retaliation for the death of a German occupying soldier. Along with the cemetery wall, 18 civilians were shot and 18 were hanged inside a cemetery.












Many other details of the horrific crime in Pancevo for decades were investigated by Srdjan Bozovic, a historian from the Pancevo Museum.
"There is no evidence of the murder of German officers and" local Krauts ", nor could there be any "Chetnik" in Pancevo at that time," Bozovic said. "The facts are different: two days earlier, on April 20, the Germans celebrated Hitler's birthday. There was alcohol, so two German soldiers, drunk, wrestled and dragged arms one on the other: one was wounded, the other was killed ...

The story was fictitious in order to avoid responsibility within the German unit and used to account for the local Germans with the Serbs who supported demonstrations against the Hitler pact on March 25-27. They personally chose Serbs to be liquidated. Their neighbors.

The historical witness of that event was V. Sudarski, during a terrible crime - a boy who remembered that the Nazism had moved into Pancevo much before the war, when "Kulturbund" was formed, which turned into a hidden litter of Nazism in Pancevo.

The Serbs recognized this and destroyed the Kulturbund premises on March/27  1941. - he testified Sudarski. - Everyone who participated in it, but also those who were publicly against the Nazi Germany, were shot dead by a cemetery wall or hung in a cemetery ...

That "woodcut hung", Sudar can not be freed: "I do not know how to explain why the world loves to imitate, while watching when people are hanging and killing! Imagine: they were having fun by hanging Radak hanging a hat on his head! "

In Gothfrid Bare's film, you can see the executioner Herman Brun removes his hat from his head in that white coat, Radak, because he bites him as he puts his loop over his head and throws it on the ground.

That hat was "German neighbors" later, competing and playing, slammed on the head of a hanged man whose arms and legs were tied.

And they did not succeed in their ill intentions!



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jun 12, 2019, 10:22:44 am
6/3 1941. East Bosnia and Herzegovina

After the massacre of 130-180 Serb civilians who were thrown by a pit (Korita pit) by Croatian and Muslim Fascists (Ustashi), the Serbs
the first uprising against The Fascism in The whole of Yugoslavia (The June Uprising)
by which they defended their villages from new murders in the region of eastern Herzegovina. Unfortunately, at least for a while.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6pz5x3V2/ustasenadelu.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Tito and his Communist Party were covering this event as though their propaganda would convince the people and international public that the Partisans were the first to step up against Fascism.

Source: Tito's General Savo Skoko

P.S. Interesting, Italian Fascist Army, near by ,did want to help their Allies against Serbian Rebels.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2:London calling
Post by: Al Bundy on Jun 21, 2019, 03:36:57 pm
6/21/1941.

From Jerusalem, Yugoslav King Peter the Second with some ministers arrived in exile in London.

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Buckingham Palace: British King George VI and Yugoslav King in Exile Petar II Karadjordjevic



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 17, 2019, 05:55:59 pm
July 1943.
Nazis in Yugoslavia issued warrents for the leaders of the guerrilla - the Monarchist Commander ( Chetniks ) Army General Draza Mihailovic and the Communist leader of the Partizans Josip Broz "Tito".

The Germans have offered a reward of 100,000 Reichmarks in GOLD!

(https://i.postimg.cc/Gpmv7BC3/draza-i-tito-poternice.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Although Hitler and his fascist allies believed that Gen. Mihailovic* and Tito are his greatest enemies behind the lines of the Axis force.
Chetniks and Partisans battled bloody in the civil war since 1941!
That the thing is incredible to the great majority of the Monarchists and Communists are the Serbs until the capitulation of Italy
in 1943.

*Gen. Mihailovic was even Minister of Army in Yugoslav Royal Government in Exile.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 17, 2019, 05:25:09 pm
August 17, 1941

Hitler's armies and his fascist allies advance through Russia ( operation: Barbarossa )
German paratroopers conquered the island of Crete from the British.
The US is not at war.

That morning, in the center of Belgrade, a German occupier hanged five Serbs uprising to intimidate Serbian people.

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Nazis are killed that 5 men and dead hanged in mourning. Those Serbs want to make sabotages, kill German Occupier soldiers and domestic
police who help them. Victims are young student from High school, 2 handicraftsmen and 2 peasants.

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However, only one was a partizan, Monument was built 3 years after death of Tito. Serbian Communists are feel shameful that other 4 patriots
not were Communist or Partizans.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 19, 2019, 05:14:27 pm
August 19 / 1941 Washington DC

US State Department informs Yugoslav Ambassador to the US Konstantin Fotic that "it is learned from confidential sources that the Ustashas are pursuing ... a policy ... of exterminating Serbian people in the Independent State of Croatia "

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Source: K. Fotic " The War we lost: Yugoslavia`s tragedy and the failure of the West" ( New York, the Viking Press , 1948 )



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Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 21, 2019, 06:56:58 pm
Uprising in Serbia 1941

The newly-appointed occupying commander of Serbia, General F. Boeme, orders the German troops to leave Uzice and the surrounding area on September 21, 1941. The German Column was 6 kilometers long and had a total of 1,217 troops.
The citizens of Uzice could not believe and were delighted.


But why did the Germans withdraw? According to Serbian journalist M. Samardzic "The reason for the withdrawal was that Uzice was on the edge of the German occupation zone, and therefore it was the most threatened of the insurgent action" (Communist historians only wrote that Tito's partisans liberated Uzice, and a propaganda film was made - Uzice`s Republic ...).

The Germans tried to hand over the city to the local administration and the Serbian Gendarmerie (300 police officers). However, they answered to Germans that they were unable to maintain law and order in Uzice, so they were suggested to be taken over by Chetniks but not under Colonel Draza Mihailovic's command. The occupiers accepted it and left the city and went to Pozega(according to Serbian historian Radivoje Papic).

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Thus they took over from the Germans the town Vojvoda R. Djekic and Vojvoda B. Corsovic.



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Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 01, 2019, 04:42:23 am
Poles in Chetniks :













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 02, 2019, 07:35:35 am
On the present day 1946 (the then Tito's Yugoslavia),
The Communist Secret Police (OZNa) was coated in Chetnik uniforms and captured Chetnik commander General Draza Mihailovic ( former Minister of Army...in Yugoslav Exile Government ) with the help of a prominent Chetnik officer (read: treason).
The Communists killed his loyal soldiers in their place. Nor "Serbian Judah" did not survive that night.

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Yugoslav Tyrant Marshal Tito, having learned of a successful action, left the country and left his deputy, A. Rankovic, to publicly announce the news. So it seemed that the Serbs caught Gen. Mihailovic and not Croat Josip Broz "Tito".

After the Show Trial (organized by communist tyrant Tito), the Military "court" is Gen. Dragoljub Mihailovic sentenced to death.
OZNа shot him at an unknown location.



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George Orwell on the Case of General Draza Mihailovich

By Carl Savich
October 2008

“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

“Political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”

“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”

George Orwell, “1984” (1949)

When George Orwell published his political satire “Animal Farm” in 1945, he wrote a preface to the book that was deleted and censored from the rest of the text. In the preface, Orwell criticized the censorship and suppression that were endemic in Western countries.

The censored, deleted, and suppressed preface to Animal farm was first published in The Times Literary Supplement on September 15, 1972 as an essay entitled “The Freedom of the Press”. In the preface, Orwell analyzed and deconstructed government and media censorship in Britain during World War II. In particular, Orwell discussed and criticized the British government’s censorship of his book Animal Farm. Orwell analyzed self-imposed media self-censorship and how events and facts were censored and distorted in British society where the government and media suppressed uncomfortable or unpopular truths. In the dystopian satire 1984 (1949), Orwell would term this “duckspeak”, which in Newspeak meant literally to quack like a duck or to speak without thinking.

In 1984, duckspeak is defined:

“’There is a word in Newspeak,’ said Syme, ‘I don’t know whether you know it: duckspeak, to talk like a duck. It is one of those interesting words that have two contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it is abuse, applied to someone you agree with, it is praise.’

Unquestionably Syme will be vaporized, Winston thought again. …

Provided that the opinions which were quacked out were orthodox ones, it implied nothing but praise, and when The Times referred to one of the orators of the Party as a doubleplusgood duckspeaker it was paying a warm and valued compliment.”

George Orwell, whose birth name was Eric Arthur Blair, was a socialist himself throughout his life and career. This is a fact usually censored and detailed in any biographical profile of Orwell. Orwell criticized Soviet Communistic socialism because he was a socialist himself. It took one to know one. The fact that Orwell was a socialist was de-emphasized because the British government and the U.S. government sought o use his writings against the Soviet Union and against communism and socialism during the Cold War.

Orwell became a primary source in the ideological conflict between the Western countries such as Britain and the U.S. and the Eastern countries represented by the Soviet Union and China. So his writings were invariably exploited and prostituted as propaganda in the ideological conflict of the Cold War. Propaganda and ideology are black and white. There is no room for any shades of gray. This is why his criticisms and examination of Western media censorship and suppression were themselves suppressed and omitted. The preface to Animal farm itself was suppressed and censored and deleted from the book. Orwell warned that media suppression in the West represented a “slide towards Fascist ways of thought”.

In the deleted proposed preface to Animal Farm, re-titled “The Freedom of the Press”, George Orwell analyzed the role of censorship in Britain. Animal Farm was written in the form of an allegory or as “a fairy story”. But there was no doubt at all that is was based on and directed against the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin. In the deleted preface, Orwell analyzed British self-censorship. In particular, Orwell examined the case of Draza Mihailovich:

“In the internal struggles in the various occupied countries, the British press has in almost all cases sided with the faction favoured by the Russians and libelled the opposing faction, sometimes suppressing material evidence in order to do so. A particularly glaring case was that of Colonel Mihailovich, the Jugoslav Chetnik leader. The Russians, who had their own Jugoslav protege in Marshal Tito, accused Mihailovich of collaborating with the Germans. This accusation was promptly taken up by the British press: Mihailovich’s supporters were given no chance of answering it, and facts contradicting it were simply kept out of print. In July of 1943 the Germans offered a reward of 100,000 gold crowns for the capture of Tito, and a similar reward for the capture of Mihailovich. The British press ‘splashed’ the reward for Tito, but only one paper mentioned (in small print) the reward for Mihailovich: and the charges of collaborating with the Germans continued.”

Orwell also noted instances of censorship during the civil war in Spain from 1936 to 1939:

“Very similar things happened during the Spanish civil war. Then, too, the factions on the Republican side which the Russians were determined to crush were recklessly libeled in the English leftwing press, and any statement in their defense even in letter form, was refused publication. At present, not only is serious criticism of the USSR considered reprehensible, but even the fact of the existence of such criticism is kept secret in some cases. For example, shortly before his death Trotsky had written a biography of Stalin. One may assume that it was not an altogether unbiased book, but obviously it was saleable. An American publisher had arranged to issue it and the book was in print — 1 believe the review copies had been sent out — when the USSR entered the war. The book was immediately withdrawn. Not a word about this has ever appeared in the British press, though clearly the existence of such a book, and its suppression, was a news item worth a few paragraphs.”

Orwell analyzed how censorship in the Western countries differed from that in the totalitarian states. In the totalitarian states, censorship was outright and open. In the Western countries, however, censorship was more subtle and covert in nature. Censorship existed in both states, but in the Western state censorship was perceived as benign and innocuous and self-imposed. In Western countries, censorship thus becomes self-censorship.

Orwell analyzed British self-censorship:

“We have not been subjected to the kind of totalitarian ‘co-ordination’ that it might have been reasonable to expect. The press has some justified grievances, but on the whole the Government has behaved well and has been surprisingly tolerant of minority opinions. The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary. Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news – things which on their own merits would get the big headlines – being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralized, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals.

At this moment what is demanded by the prevailing orthodoxy is an uncritical admiration of Soviet Russia.

Obviously it is not desirable that a government department should have any power of censorship (except security censorship, which no one objects to in war time) over books which are not officially sponsored. But the chief danger to freedom of thought and speech at this moment is not the direct interference of the MOI or any official body. If publishers and editors exert themselves to keep certain topics out of print, it is not because they are frightened of prosecution but because they are frightened of public opinion.

It is important to distinguish between the kind of censorship that the English literary intelligentsia voluntarily impose upon themselves, and the censorship that can sometimes be enforced by pressure groups. Notoriously, certain topics cannot be discussed because of ‘vested interests‘.

The issue involved here is quite a simple one: Is every opinion, however unpopular – however foolish, even – entitled to a hearing?

If the intellectual liberty which without a doubt has been one of the distinguishing marks of western civilization means anything at all, it means that everyone shall have the right to say and to print what he believes to be the truth, provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.

If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

In the January 12, 1945 “As I Please” series in the Tribune, George Orwell discussed censorship and media manipulation and deception in the case of Draza Mihailovich:

“I invite attention to an article entitled ‘The Truth about Mihailovich?’ (the author of it also writes for Tribune, by the way) in the current World Review. It deals with the campaign in the British press and the B.B.C. to brand Mihailovich as a German agent. Jugoslav politics are very complicated and I make no pretence of being an expert on them. For all I know it was entirely right on the part of Britain as well as the U.S.S.R. to drop Mihailovich and support Tito. But what interests me is the readiness, once this decision had been taken, of reputable British newspapers to connive at what amounted to forgery in order to discredit the man whom they had been backing a few months earlier. There is no doubt that this happened. The author of the article gives details of one out of a number of instances in which material facts were suppressed in the most impudent way. Presented with very strong evidence to show that Mihailovich was not a German agent, the majority of our newspapers simply refused to print it, while repeating the charges of treachery just as before.”

Self-censorship and media suppression and manipulation are endemic threats in a democratic society. The censorship and suppression of the facts in the Draza Mihailovich case allowed a Communist dictatorship to be established in the former Yugoslavia. George Orwell showed that for democracy to be viable and legitimate, self-censorship and media suppression must be understood and examined.



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Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 19, 2019, 01:26:21 pm

The Russian Defense Ministry has released declassified documents on the liberation of Belgrade, from which it can be learned that German troops intended to blow up all the most important elements of the city's infrastructure and cultural objects.

Belgrade's strategic offensive operation ended 75 years ago on October 20, 1944.
"Prior to the Belgrade offensive, information was received that the Nazi command intended to turn the Serbian capital into ruins. Government and administration buildings, historic monuments, a fortress, a water supply and sewage network, a power plant and a river port were prepared for destruction, ”the Ministry of Defense said in a statement.

Demining was done by members of the Third Ukrainian Front, who liberated Belgrade.
The episodes of the storm and the demining of the Hotel "Albania" and the Kalemegdan Fortress can be found in the log of the war operations of the 11th Separate Assault Engineering and Demining Brigade.

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Scheme of combat operations on Strahinjic Ban Street during the offensive in Belgrade
"The Germans damaged our tank before the battle was over, and the residents of the city decorated the tank with flowers, colorful ribbons and wrote: 'Long live Marshal Stalin, long live Marshal Tito!'", Quotes the 57th Army Political Report Of the Third Ukrainian Front.

Sputnik



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 20, 2019, 02:51:13 pm
75 years ago Belgrade was liberated from Germans. Soviet Army and domestic Partizans under command of General V.Zhdanov ended 1287 Nazi occupation of the city. In battle died 976 Russians and almost 3000 Serbs.













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 21, 2019, 06:06:33 am
On this day 1941 in Kragujevac, Serbia - German occupiers killed 2600 civilians ( Serbs , Gypsies and 300 pupils ! ).










American about Nazi slaughter in Kragujevac



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 26, 2019, 07:47:18 pm
"...Mihailovic's movement takes the first place in leadership, arms, organization and enterprise. Draza Mihailovic's followers come from all walks of life and represent about 80% of the Serbian people so far. "
German military Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen ( 2/9 1942.)

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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 27, 2019, 06:15:20 pm
10/27 1941 Brajici village, not so far from Belgrade

Draza Mihailovic Saves Tito's Life

After (un)successful negotiations, Chetnik Commander Colonel Dragoljub Mihailovic "Drazа" and Commander of the Yugoslav Partisans Josip Broz "Tito", the Communist delegation headed to the their headquarters in Uzice.

However, the small bridge that the Delegation was supposed to cross was mined by Chetnik Captain Vučko S. Ignjatović on his own. Yet
Cap. Ignjatovic summoned Commander-in-Chief Col. Mihailovic. He wanted to get permission to ambush.
But on the contrary Col. Mihailovic angrily forbade such an action because Tito and their commissars "gave an honorable word that nothing would happen to them". Cap. Ignjatovic obeyed Colonel's order. So Tito and his communist delegation arrived safely in Uzice.

source: Misa Matic "Artillery Major Vucko S. Ignjatovic", 2012.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 02, 2019, 03:48:53 pm
11/2 1941. hill Tresnjica near city Uzice

In battle between Communist Partizans and Chetniks of Yugoslav Royal Army began civil war in occupied Yugoslavia :'(

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Civil war between two anti-fascist guerillas ended in 1946.

Partizans won that battle and Chetniks retreat in near city Pozega.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 04, 2019, 02:19:25 pm
Chetnik Commander General Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic did not began a civil war between the monarchists and Tito's Partisans

March 1946.

In a statement to Investigator J. Malovic (Deputy Attorney General of the FNR Yugoslavia): "... I only found out about the conflict when the partisans conquered Pozega from the Chetniks under the command of Captain Vučko Ignjatović ... "

My knowledge: I did not find a document or testimony that D. Mihailovic ordered an attack on the Partisans in Uzice.

https://www.ekspres.net/vesti/saslusanje-draze-mihailovica-ii-deo-kako-je-tito-prevario-vodu-cetnika



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 05, 2019, 04:59:36 pm
After the capture of Pozega, communist guerrillas also occupied another town - Cacak.

In a fierce battle between Partisans and Chetniks, Royalist Commander Cap. Jovan Deroko (29!) was killed.

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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 08, 2019, 09:03:35 am
11/8 1941.  Uzice, Serbia

Only Serbs ( in 2 guerrilla front !) fight and die in the fight for the liberation of Yugoslavia!
Slovenes, Macedonians, Croats or Muslims are have no reason for fight against Fascism


Although Partisans are fighting Chetniks, Commander Tito made a "proclamation" ( in fact order ) on behalf of the Central Committee of Communist Yugoslavia to the Macedonian people, in which he calls for an armed uprising against fascist occupiers ( Albanians and the Bulgarian Army).

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Serbia cannot accept occupation

It is the first Tito`s proclamation to be scattered in present-day Northern Macedonia, because the communists there were either Macedonians or The Bulgarians did not want an uprising. Macedonians were other cowards and unlike the Serbian Communists, Bulgarian Communists did not want to shoot at Bulgarian Regular Army ( although their Fascist Army ).



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 09, 2019, 07:41:18 pm
In USA comic books about commander of Yugoslav Army in Fatherland - General Draza Maihailovic.

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Title: Re: Balkans in WW2
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 25, 2019, 02:57:52 pm
Temporary Armistice of the Chetniks of the Yugoslav Royal Army under the command of Col. Mihailovic and Communists under the command of Tito. Where did it come from? Maybe this is the reason:
After the defeat of the Germans in Moscow by the Soviet Army, Tito was authorized, through the "red channels," to continue the fight against Chetnik anti-fascists (?!), who then admitted not only the Yugoslav royal government in London, but also the United Kingdom and soon the United States.

Civil war 2 anti-fascist guerrillas continued to the end WW2. :(



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