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The Intercept_
Donald Trump May Escalate the Afghanistan War He Spent Years Calling a "Terrible Mistake"
Zaid Jilani
May 9 2017

The Trump administration is reportedly weighing a proposal to send thousands of more troops to Afghanistan, an escalation of the longest war in U.S. history.

This would be a significant about-face from Trump's public position in the years prior to his presidency. In 2015 he declared that invading Afghanistan in the first place was a "terrible mistake" and the current situation was "a mess," although he added that "I would leave the troops there begrudgingly" because "that thing will collapse in about two seconds after they leave."

Before running for president, Trump repeatedly tweeted about the need to end the war, referring to it as a waste of blood and treasure.

    Ron Paul is right that we are wasting trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 13, 2011

    When will we stop wasting our money on rebuilding Afghanistan? We must rebuild our country first.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2011

The tweet below links to a Fox and Friends interview where Trump denounces the war: "What are we doing there? These people hate us. As soon as we leave, it's all going to blow up anyway. And you say, 'What are we doing there?' We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars on this nonsense."

    My @foxandfriends interview discussing violence in Afghanistan, rising oil prices and @MittRomney's leads in AZ (cont) http://t.co/neuX5zG1

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 27, 2012

    It is time to get out of Afghanistan. We are building roads and schools for people that hate us. It is not in our national interests.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 27, 2012

    China is getting minerals from Afghanistan http://t.co/uNxQYQWi We are getting our troops killed by the Afghani govt't. Time to get out.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 29, 2012

    Afghanistan is a total disaster. We don't know what we are doing. They are, in addition to everything else, robbing us blind.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 12, 2012

    Why are we continuing to train these Afghanis who then shoot our soldiers in the back? Afghanistan is a complete waste. Time to come home!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 21, 2012

    84% of US troops wounded & 70% of our brave men & women killed in Afghanistan have all come under Obama. Time to get out of there.

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 11, 2012

    I agree with Pres. Obama on Afghanistan. We should have a speedy withdrawal. Why should we keep wasting our money — rebuild the U.S.!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 14, 2013

    Our gov't is so pathetic that some of the billions being wasted in Afghanistan are ending up with terrorists http://t.co/bso3k1pR7l

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 17, 2013

    Do not allow our very stupid leaders to sign a deal that keeps us in Afghanistan through 2024-with all costs by U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 21, 2013

    Five U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan by so-called friendly fire. What are we doing?

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 10, 2014

Trump's change of opinion may be spurred by counsel from his National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Bloomberg's Eli Lake reports that McMaster has been the voice inside the administration in favor of escalation.


Donald Trump poised to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan by 50% despite having called the war on the Taliban a 'waste of billions'
By Andrew Cheetham
10 May 2017

Donald Trump is poised to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan by 50 per cent despite having called the war on the Taliban a waste of billions of dollars.

The Pentagon will ask the White House next week to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan to break a deadlocked fight with the Taliban, a senior official said Thursday.

Defense chiefs are calling for 3,000 to 5,000 more soldiers to be sent to the country, which will have to be signed off by the President who last month dropped the Mother of All Bombs (MOAB) on Afghanistan.

If the Republican gives the move the go-ahead it will be a massive u-turn on his previous stance on the war against the Taliban, which he described as a waste of money and American lives in 2013.'


In Afghanistan, Trump Is Poised to Re-Escalate a Hopeless War

by Peter Beinart



So how come America is reportedly considering escalating its war in Afghanistan? Donald Trump, who as a candidate pledged that "If I become president, the era of nation-building will be ended," may in the coming days decide to send several thousand more troops to take part in a war that has been going on since some of them were toddlers. Democrats, who denounce Trump multiple times before breakfast, will mostly look the other way. And the longest war in American history will grind on, despite the fact that almost no one believes America can win.


Since most U.S. troops left the country in 2014, the Taliban has been rapidly gaining ground. In November 2015, according to the federal government's Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, the Afghan government controlled 72 percent of the country's districts. By February of this year, that had dropped to 52 percent. Unofficial estimates are even worse. Douglas Wissing, the author of Hopeless but Optimistic: Journeying through America's Endless War in Afghanistan, reports that, "I've had some intelligence analysts tell me they're [the Taliban] controlling 90 percent of the countryside."

The Taliban are unpopular. But they have two big advantages. First, the Afghan army lacks motivation. Karl Eikenberry knows that firsthand: He led NATO troops in Afghanistan before becoming America's ambassador in Kabul. Last month he told The New York Times that, "The American military has tried for 15 years to help Afghanistan build a professional army. It has always assumed that its own goal of defeating the insurgency is shared by Afghan Army leaders." But "this is often not so." The average Afghan officer, he explained, was frequently more concerned with "ensuring the welfare of his family and supporters, staying aligned with political patrons, and avoiding combat so as to preserve his unit, which is a source of revenue." As a U.S. military official told The Washington Post last year, "There's a real will-to-fight issue."

Corruption is deeply intertwined with this unwillingness to fight. The Taliban's second-biggest source of revenue, after the opium trade, is the American taxpayer, who sends billions in arms and supplies to the Afghan military, much of which ends up in the Taliban's hands. "We hear story after story of [Afghan] commanders who steal the fuel, sell it to the Taliban, who take the weapons we—you—pay for and sell it to the Taliban," explained John Sopko, America's special inspector general for Afghanistan, earlier this year. "The irony of it is, the terrorists are at the end of our supply chain." Last month, in what's believed to have been their largest attack on an Afghan military base since the war started, the Taliban stormed an army outpost in northern Afghanistan and killed 170 people. How did they pull it off? In part, because they were wearing Afghan army uniforms, traveling in Afghan army vehicles, and carrying Afghan army-issued M-16s.

David Icke Bot

Press TV

US authorizes sending 3,500 more soldiers to Afghanistan: US official

US authorizes sending 3,500 more soldiers to Afghanistan: US official

'The United States has authorized deployment of 3,500 additional troops to war battered Afghanistan.

A US official confirmed to Reuters that Defense Secretary James Mattis has ordered the deployment while the Pentagon said it would not make any announcement until the general speaks out.

The Pentagon chief had reportedly sought to dispatch about 3,900 troops.

Known as "Mad Dog," the general was awaiting the new presidential strategy before making a decision for Afghanistan.

Recently, the US military officially acknowledged that there are some 2,600 more troops in Afghanistan than the 8,400 previously reported. The additional forces would join the 11,000 troops already in the country.'

Read more: US authorizes sending 3,500 more soldiers to Afghanistan: US official

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Al Bundy

Quote from: EvadingGrid on May 10, 2017, 06:15:09 AM
NATO asks UK to 'send more troops to Afghanistan'


One of the Serbian transparents  in spring 1999

P.S. Oh yes, there will be more British troops in Afghanistan. And not just British troops.
It is a challenge for the Army of Montenegro (the youngest member of NATO).

Once a resident of Montenegro was wearing a rifle or pistol, he could only be a Serb and used weapons to fight for freedom from the Turkish Empire or the Austro-Hungarian Empire's invasion ( WW1 ). And today  ???

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There ain't no oil in Afghanistan...
And since no one has yet written a song about the US gov needing lithium for cell phone batteries,
lithium being Afghanistan's other natural resource,
let's be honest about what these political manoeuvres are all about.

And no, this song DOES NOT belong in the music thread; it belongs right here, right now !

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I once read a brilliant paper by Saul Alinsky stating his belief that heroin addicts were the ideal American capitalists.
They would do ANYTHING to cop their drug.
They were the ultimate consumers,as demand always exceeded supply.
Heroin never went out of fashion.
No advertisement needed.
People would die rather than willingly give it up.
Those who tried to escape it, failed over and over.
And it fed the growing penal  colony industry,
supplying jobs for thousands of unemployed American citizens.
Also kept people so focussed on copping,
they had no time to think.
Had no interest in voting.

My job working in a methadone clinic  was a joke.
Imagine a 22 year old girl trying to convince an addict to abandon their lover !
What was waiting for them in the USA that beat an hour or two in heaven ?

Let's just watch and wait to see how many of our troops come back living this song ...

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David Icke Bot

NATO set to agree to boost troops in Afghanistan


'NATO will increase the number of its troops in war-ravaged Afghanistan, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg says.

The NATO secretary general made the announcement during a news conference in Brussels on Tuesday, ahead of a meeting of NATO defense ministers later this week.

"We have decided to increase the number of troops ... to help the Afghans break the stalemate," the NATO chief told reporters.
According to Stoltenberg, NATO allies will agree on Thursday to increase by some 3,000 personnel the troop levels for the Afghanistan training mission.

Stoltenberg said that about half of the additional troops will come from the United States and the other half from other countries allied with NATO.

The NATO contribution would take Resolute Support, which is NATO's train, advise and assist mission, to around 16,000 troops, up from around 13,000 today, Stoltenberg said.'

Read more: NATO set to agree to boost troops in Afghanistan

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David Icke Bot

RT - Russia Today

'Fighting season': Pentagon to send '1,000 new troops & drones' to Afghanistan

'The Pentagon intends to deploy an estimated 1,000 new combat advisers to Afghanistan as part of the Trump administration's planned troop surge, according to reports.

As early as February, members of an Army security-force assistance brigade from Fort Benning, Georgia, will be sent to work as combat advisers to Afghan National Security Forces. Their deployment will bring the number of American personnel in the country to about 14,000.

US military officials told the Wall Street Journal the Pentagon hopes to dramatically increase the American military presence in Afghanistan in time for spring, when the "fighting season" begins.
With operations against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) winding down in Syria and Iraq, the US military also plans to send more helicopters, ground vehicles, artillery and other equipment to Afghanistan.

A large fleet of armed and unarmed drones will also be sent to the country, which will provide the US advisers with air support, as well as intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

President Trump announced in August that 3,000 to 4,000 more troops would be sent to Afghanistan in an attempt to finally score a decisive victory in a war that has dragged on for more than fifteen years.

As part of Trump's strategy, the White House has delegated substantial decision-making authority to his generals. The new management style has been coupled with a penchant for secrecy regarding troop deployment numbers.'

Read More : 'Fighting season': Pentagon to send '1,000 new troops & drones' to Afghanistan

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SouthFront Bot

Press TV

US relocating ISIS to Afghanistan to justify military presence in region: Iranian leader

'Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has expressed regret over the deaths of Afghan civilians in Daesh terror attacks, saying the United States has been relocating the terror group from the Middle East to the South Asian country to rationalize its military presence in the region.

By transferring the Daesh terror group from Iraq and Syria to Afghanistan, the US seeks "to justify the continuation of its presence in the region and to create security for the Zionist regime," Ayatollah Khamenei said on Tuesday.

The US and its allies invaded Afghanistan under the guise of the war on terror. Some 17 years on, the local Taliban militant group has only boosted its campaign of violence across the country, targeting both civilians and security forces in bloody assaults.

More recently, Daesh has also taken advantage of the chaos and established a foothold in eastern and northern Afghanistan. The Takfiri outfit has also stepped up its terror attacks in the war-torn country despite the presence of thousands of foreign troops there.

Touching on the massacre of hundreds of people at the hands of Daesh terrorists in Afghanistan in recent months, the Leader stated, "The same hands that created Daesh as a tool to oppress people in Syria and Iraq and carry out crimes against them are today seeking to transfer Daesh to Afghanistan after its defeats there."

The recent killings in Afghanistan, the Leader, said represent an early stage in such a scheme.'

Read More : US relocating ISIS to Afghanistan to justify military presence in region: Iranian leader


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Looks like there is a change of plans.  Seems like everyone is ready to acknowledge that Afghan government and security forces rely heavily on US arms and money and cannot be trusted to enter talks with Taliban.


White House Orders Direct Taliban Talks to Jump-Start Afghan Negotiations


KABUL, Afghanistan — The Trump administration has told its top diplomats to seek direct talks with the Taliban, a significant shift in American policy in Afghanistan, done in the hope of jump-starting negotiations to end the 17-year war.

The Taliban have long said they will first discuss peace only with the Americans, who toppled their regime in Afghanistan in 2001. But the United States has mostly insisted that the Afghan government must take part.

The recent strategy shift, which was confirmed by several senior American and Afghan officials, is intended to bring those two positions closer and lead to broader, formal negotiations to end the long war.

The shift to prioritize initial American talks with the Taliban over what has proved a futile "Afghan-led, Afghan-owned" process stems from a realization by both Afghan and American officials that President Trump's new Afghanistan strategy is not making a fundamental difference in rolling back Taliban gains.

While no date for any talks has been set, and the effort could still be derailed, the willingness of the United States to pursue direct talks is an indication of the sense of urgency in the administration to break the stalemate in Afghanistan.

Not long after he took office, Mr. Trump reluctantly agreed to provide more resources to his field commanders fighting the Taliban, adding a few thousand troops to bring the American total to about 15,000. But a year later the insurgent group continues to threaten Afghan districts and cities and inflict heavy casualties on the country's security forces.

The government controls or influences 229 of Afghanistan's 407 districts, and the Taliban 59. The remaining 119 districts are contested, according the Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, which was created by Congress to monitor progress in the country.

Providing more authority to American diplomats, a move that was decided on last month by Mr. Trump's national security aides, is seen as part of a wider push to inject new momentum into efforts to end the war. Those efforts include a rare cease-fire last month, increased American pressure on Pakistan to stop providing sanctuary to Taliban leaders and a rallying of Islamic nations against the insurgency's ideology. Grassroots peace movements in the region have also increased pressure on all sides.

Over the past few weeks senior American officials have flown to Afghanistan and Pakistan to lay the groundwork for direct United States-Taliban talks. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo briefly visited the Afghan capital, Kabul, last week, and Alice G. Wells, the top diplomat for the region, spent several days holding talks with major players in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

More at the link -->  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-direct-negotiations.html

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A immoral and unwinnable war that continues to prop up an illegitimate government.
Taliban rejects US peace talks in Pakistan


QuoteSenior Taliban leaders said that regional powers including Pakistan had approached them and wanted them to meet the U.S. delegation in Islamabad and also include the Afghan government in the peace process but that the approaches had been rejected.

It reiterated that it would not deal with the Afghan government.

"We wanted to make it clear that we will not hold any meeting with Zalmay Khalilzad in Islamabad," Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid in a statement.

Talks between the two sides have stalled after the Taliban accused Mr Khalilzad of straying from the agreed agenda and there is no clarity on when they may resume.

"We have made it clear again and again that we would never hold any meeting with the Afghan government as we know that they are not capable of addressing our demands," said one senior Taliban leader, who spoke on condition of anonymity to Reuters.

The United States says any settlement in Afghanistan must be between the internationally recognised Afghan government and the Taliban, who have so far refused to talk to an administration they describe as an illegitimate puppet regime.

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One way to track US progress is to track how opium Afghanistan produces yearly.  I wonder if they classified that too.


It's Getting Harder to Track US Progress in Afghanistan


It's getting harder and harder for the public to track the U.S. military's progress in its 17-year war in Afghanistan, the special inspector general for Afghan reconstruction warned Wednesday ahead of the release of his latest quarterly report.

"What we are finding is now almost every indicia, metric for success or failure is now classified or nonexistent. Over time it's been classified or it's no longer being collected," John Sopko told reporters. "The classification in some areas is needless."

Sopko did not detail what information previously made public would be blacked out in the new report, due out this month. The quarterly reports — which are mandated by Congress and are intended to be public documents — track waste, fraud and abuse in U.S. reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan. The reports have also become an important tracking tool for territorial and population control by the Taliban.

The inspector general reports have long suggested the creeping rise of classification. The number of Afghan security forces killed in action is kept classified at the request of the Afghan government. In the last year, the Defense Department classified basic performance evaluations for the U.S.-backed Afghan security forces, as well as the Afghan Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Defense — metrics that have been used in the past to gauge progress in America's so-called "forever war."

More at the link --->  https://www.defenseone.com/news/2019/04/its-getting-harder-track-us-progress-afghanistan/156513/

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