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Al Bundy

7/28/1914.

The beginning of the First World War: falsely blaming Serbia for the assassination of their throne of the Friars of Ferdinand * Austro-Hungary announced the war to Serbia!



Serbian soldier in Belgrade waiting for Austro-Hungarian attack


Аt 22:00, while Serbian FM Nikola Pasic хаd lunch, a telegram from Pest arrived:

"The Royal Serbian Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Since the Royal Serbian Government did not give a satisfactory answer to our note handed over by an Austro-Hungarian deputy in Belgrade 7/23/1914. ,
The Imprial-Royal Government finds it necessary to satisfy its own rights and interests, and to seize arms. Austro-Hungary considers that, from this moment, it is in a state of war with Serbia.
                          Minister of Foreign Affairs of Austria-Hungary, Count Berthold,

Source: M. Oljaca "Heroic defense of Belgrade 1914-1915", Belgrade, 1964.

We can open a topic about Assasination in Sarajevo in 1914 but my facts are that Serbian Government do not participated in murder of Franz Ferdinand. Gavrilo Princip ( "Bosnian Youth" ) with help of secret Serbian military organization ( "United or Dead" ) killed AU Prince.

EvadingGrid

Уједињење или смрт


Al Bundy

  Serbian Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjević, 7/29/1914 Nis, Serbia

    "To my heroic and dear Serbs!
      There is a lot of evil will come on our Serbia. Austria-Hungary has declared war on us. Now, we all have to be united and heroes.
The troubles of our kingdom and our people with Austria have not started since yesterday *.
Wherever Vienna needed, the greatest promises were made that it would be right to act with the Serbs and Croats  **, and yet it remained unfulfilled. Serbian and Croatian border guards, and so many of our heroes, gave blood all over Europe for the glory and honor of the Imperial Palace in Vienna .... Serbia always did everything in its power to live in a friendship with the neighboring Еmpire - it's all nothing helped....




Serbia sincerely regretted this fatal event, convicted that it would hand over to the court of every participant *** but quickly saw with astonishment that the Austrians .... throwing their headache to their own mismanagement or to some of the culprits of the act rather than the Kingdom of Serbia. No matter what the murder is only one man, their subject, with the help of several comrades, and in their country, in the eyes of their authorities, Austria forbade our...officers, the Serbian government, and ultimately the entire Kingdom of Serbia and all the Serbs wherever they are. So the accusation of an independent state for guilty others is unique in the history of Europe, where such crimes are, unfortunately, not rare ....

Although a hard heart is aware of all the difficulties and hazards, just at the time when the Serbian warriors were preparing to gather the fruits of their efforts **** I am forced to invite all my dear and brave Serbs under the Serbian tricolor with the conviction that they will, and on this occasion, Show that past ... In our glorious past, the elderly and the newer, there are many testimonies that a Serb, when he is united, can win a much bigger opponent. Let's testify once again that a Serb can sacrifice for his homeland and ... by sacrificing (like the Medieval knight Obilic ) in front of many ardent enemies.
     Serbs defend your homes and the Serbian tribe with all your might.

                                                                                      ( signatures of all members of the Serbian government)

Source: Silvia Djuric "Dnevnik pobede", (p.20), Belgrade, 1988.

* Great Powers in Berlin 1878, allowed Austro-Hungary to occupy Bosnia and Herzegovina to restore law and order.
"Pig war" 1906-1908 ( Austro-Hungarian sanctions against Serbia ).
In 1908 Emperor Francis Joseph I unilaterally declared Bosnia and Herzegovina as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and provoked a crisis that came to the brink of war with Serbia and Russia ("The Annexion Crisis"),   
1912/1913 Serbia withdrew from the exit to the Ionian Sea after Austria-Hungary was threatened with war etc.

**It is already here (between lines) in the first war proclamation of Regent Alexander that the war goal of Serbia is not only defense but the liberation of Serbs and Croats in Austria-Hungary and the creation of a new state of Yugoslavia !
*** murders in Sarajevo in June, 28
**** Brilliant victories of Serbian soldiers in both Balkan wars ( Turks, Albanians and Bulgarians ).

Al Bundy


Count Istvan Tisza Hungarian Prime Minister: "With Russia, we will have success and failure according to war happiness, but in Serbia we have to become a strong patrol in a drunken bar."



Source: Adam Stosic " Great days of Serbia 1914-1918", 1994, (p. 42)

Al Bundy

Declarations of war I

7/28 1914: Austro-Hungary   Serbia

8/1   1914: Germany               Russia
8/3   1914  Germany               France
8/4   1914  Great Britain         Germany
8/4   1914  Germany               Belgium


#1 Trouble Maker

The Balkans 2017 (Why It Matters)
Turkey, Russia and Interesting New Balkan Geopolitics
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO31July2017.php

By F. William Engdahl
31 July 2017

The geopolitical template of the entire European Union is undergoing one of its most profound changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union more than twenty-five years ago. At the June 30 meeting in Ankara of the Turkish-Hungarian Business Forum Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stated that Hungary "stands by its friends" and it is on Turkey's side in its current war of words with the European Union. The Hungarian Prime Minister also praised Turkey's role in preventing a huge further refugee flow into the EU, noting that "Without Turkey Europe would have been flooded with many millions of immigrants," stating that for this Turkey "deserves respect." Behind the comments, calculated to enrage the EU and its unelected, faceless bureaucrats, stands far more than the issue of refugees and rights of national sovereignty .

There's a major tectonic shift underway not only in Hungary but also across the entire Balkans. The shift involves Erdogan's Turkey and also Putin's Russia. The outlines of a new Balkans geopolitics are emerging and it's opening huge fault-lines within the EU between die-hard NATO Atlanticists and pragmatic EU states more keen on economic development and the health and safety of their countries than in defending a bankrupt declining USA Superpower.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán was in Turkey for no casual photo op. He was there to talk business, economic business. He brought with him half of his cabinet and around 70 business leaders to discuss areas of increased bilateral economic cooperation. Orbán also met privately with Turkish President Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim.

Energy Hub for Southeast Europe

Though it was played down in media releases, a central issue discussed in Ankara was the prospect of Russian natural gas imports via Turkey's Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

With the legally dubious new US sanctions bill targeting European companies investing in the Russian-German Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which would bypass Ukraine, Russia is accelerating its priority to complete construction of its Turkish Stream gas pipeline from the already-built gas pumping station near Anapa in Southern Russia, going beneath the Black Sea, that will pass through Turkey to the Bulgarian and perhaps Greek borders.

The latest incredibly foolish US Congressional sanctions, aiming as well at Iran and North Korea, punish German and Austrian companies investing in the northern EU Nord Stream II pipeline from near St Petersburg, claiming it's illegal under international law for a US President to sanction companies outside their territorial jurisdiction, legally termed extra-territoriality.

The announcement of new sanctions aimed at Nord Stream II has led Russia to accelerate laying of its Black Sea Turkish Stream line, currently running ahead of plan. Gazprom contractor Swiss Allseas has laid about 15 miles of the pipeline under the Black Sea since May. The first of two parallel pipelines is due to open in March 2018, the second in 1919. The annual capacity of each leg is estimated to reach 15.75 billion cubic meters of natural gas or a total of almost 32 bcm for both.

Here is where things get interesting.

In early July newly elected Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that he intended to sign an agreement on transit of gas from the Russian-Turkish Turkish Stream pipeline. He also signed an agreement with neighbor Serbia, not an EU member– and not likely ever to become one because of her strong ties with Russia among other things. Under the new agreement, Serbia will ultimately receive 10 billion cubic meters of Gazprom Turkish gas.

On June 29 as Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić took the office of Serbian President, Ana Brnabic became Prime Minister. She told Parliament that she would seek a "balanced foreign policy" and her government would especially seek good relations with Russia and China. Serbia's new Defense Minister, Alexandar Vulin, was bitterly opposed by Washington among other things for his known pro-Russian orientation. Aleksandar Vučić himself met with Vladimir Putin the week before his election as President and reaffirmed the close relations between Russia and Serbia.

On July 5, Hungary's government also signed an agreement to receive gas from Turkish stream. Earlier this year Russia's President went to Budapest where he and Prime Minister Orbán discussed Hungarian participation in Turkish Stream as well as Russian construction of nuclear plants in Hungary.

At the World Oil Congress on July 9-11 in Istanbul Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made clear that Turkey aims to become an energy hub between east and west, north and south. In short all the elements of a major new realignment are coming together between Balkan states, Russia and Turkey.

Turkish Stream

In December 2014 after the Brussels EU Commission, backed by Washington, pressured the Bulgarian government to cancel the agreement to land Gazprom gas via the South Stream pipeline to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, Russian President Putin announced that South Stream was dead. At the same time Russia began negotiations with Turkey on the Turkish Stream alternative.

To avoid punitive EU laws, Gazprom's Turkish Stream pipeline passing through Turkey will end at the Turkish-Bulgarian border, with the second possibly ending at Lüleburgaz in the Marmara region of Turkey, close to Turkey's border with Greece. From there it would be up to the purchasing countries to contract their own pipelines and construct them for the use of the Turkish Stream. EU law forbids Gazprom from building and operating its own gas pipelines inside the EU.

The Baltic Shift

In recent months as Brussels EU policies become more and more onerous, the countries of eastern Europe, especially Hungary, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have turned their sights eastward to Eurasia and especially Russia and China and their growing infrastructure investments in OBOR and other Eurasian infrastructure networks.

In February 2017 during a visit of Russian President Putin to Budapest, Hungary signed a $17 billion contract with the Rosatom Group, Russia's state nuclear power company for construction of two reactors at Paks Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear plant in the country. Russia also has 51% stake in a Czech project company, Nuclear Power Alliance, together with Czech Skoda JS that will bid for several planned Czech nuclear plants. The latest Czech national energy plan views nuclear electricity as a safe way to meet EU CO2 emission reduction targets as does Hungary

The Turkish government has also chosen Russia's Rosatom to build its first nuclear power plant, the Akkuyu NPP, with four reactors near the Mediterranean in southern Turkey across from Cyprus. The first unit costing $20 billion is being built by a Russian-Turkish consortium together with the Turkish construction group, Cengiz-Kalyon-Kolin (CKK). It will be operational in 2023.

Today, as the USA and most of Western Europe have frozen investment in nuclear power technology and has lost qualified trained manpower, Russia emerges as the world leader in export of nuclear technology with over 60% of the global market.

Areva, Europe's largest nuclear plant producer based in France has not won a foreign contract since 2007. In the USA Westinghouse, the largest US nuclear plant provider historically, has undergone troubling times to put it mildly. The Pittsburg group's nuclear power business was sold and today is owned by Japan's Toshiba group. The Westinghouse nuclear group, which recently contracted to supply four new domestic US plants, their first in thirty years, is plagued by cost overruns and law suits and Westinghouse Electric has been forced to declare bankruptcy. Russia by contrast currently has contracts to build 34 reactors in 13 countries, with an estimated total value of $300 billion.

The significance of these natural gas and nuclear electricity deals by Russia with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey are creating the horror of Washington, a shift of a disillusioned Baltic region from a politically bankrupt Brussels EU and a Germany which has lost its bearings.

Notable in this context is the latest confirmation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the $2.4 billion purchase of several units of the advanced Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems, despite fierce efforts by the Trump Administration and by NATO to stop it. The advanced S-400 is considered by military experts as the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet, far more formidable than the US Patriot system that Washington wanted to have Turkey buy.

The fact that now several nations of the Balkans are clearly upgrading their economic relations with Russia and with Turkey underscores the reality of a European Dis-union rather than the promised European Union. The foolish EU Commission decision to take Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland to EU court for rejecting mandatory Brussels refugee quotas has also widened the divide between the EU east and the west.

Top-down political constructions such as today's EU and all its anti-democratic institutions such as the EU Commission and the European Parliament which stomp on basic national sovereign rights, much like sado-masochistic personal relations, are inherently unviable. As the last quarter century of experience with Washington as the world Sole Superpower since the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrate, Top Dog-Under-Dog is no viable model for healthy peaceful international relations. The hysterical sound of who is most loudly barking says it all.




F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine "New Eastern Outlook"
WE WILL NOT ACCEPT GENOCIDE AS THE NEW NORMAL EVER!!!

Al Bundy

Quote from: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 04, 2017, 04:40:39 PM
The Balkans 2017 (Why It Matters)
Turkey, Russia and Interesting New Balkan Geopolitics
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO31July2017.php

By F. William Engdahl
31 July 2017

The geopolitical template of the entire European Union is undergoing one of its most profound changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union more than twenty-five years ago. At the June 30 meeting in Ankara of the Turkish-Hungarian Business Forum Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stated that Hungary "stands by its friends" and it is on Turkey's side in its current war of words with the European Union. The Hungarian Prime Minister also praised Turkey's role in preventing a huge further refugee flow into the EU, noting that "Without Turkey Europe would have been flooded with many millions of immigrants," stating that for this Turkey "deserves respect." Behind the comments, calculated to enrage the EU and its unelected, faceless bureaucrats, stands far more than the issue of refugees and rights of national sovereignty .

There's a major tectonic shift underway not only in Hungary but also across the entire Balkans. The shift involves Erdogan's Turkey and also Putin's Russia. The outlines of a new Balkans geopolitics are emerging and it's opening huge fault-lines within the EU between die-hard NATO Atlanticists and pragmatic EU states more keen on economic development and the health and safety of their countries than in defending a bankrupt declining USA Superpower.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán was in Turkey for no casual photo op. He was there to talk business, economic business. He brought with him half of his cabinet and around 70 business leaders to discuss areas of increased bilateral economic cooperation. Orbán also met privately with Turkish President Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim.

Energy Hub for Southeast Europe

Though it was played down in media releases, a central issue discussed in Ankara was the prospect of Russian natural gas imports via Turkey's Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

With the legally dubious new US sanctions bill targeting European companies investing in the Russian-German Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which would bypass Ukraine, Russia is accelerating its priority to complete construction of its Turkish Stream gas pipeline from the already-built gas pumping station near Anapa in Southern Russia, going beneath the Black Sea, that will pass through Turkey to the Bulgarian and perhaps Greek borders.

The latest incredibly foolish US Congressional sanctions, aiming as well at Iran and North Korea, punish German and Austrian companies investing in the northern EU Nord Stream II pipeline from near St Petersburg, claiming it's illegal under international law for a US President to sanction companies outside their territorial jurisdiction, legally termed extra-territoriality.

The announcement of new sanctions aimed at Nord Stream II has led Russia to accelerate laying of its Black Sea Turkish Stream line, currently running ahead of plan. Gazprom contractor Swiss Allseas has laid about 15 miles of the pipeline under the Black Sea since May. The first of two parallel pipelines is due to open in March 2018, the second in 1919. The annual capacity of each leg is estimated to reach 15.75 billion cubic meters of natural gas or a total of almost 32 bcm for both.

Here is where things get interesting.

In early July newly elected Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that he intended to sign an agreement on transit of gas from the Russian-Turkish Turkish Stream pipeline. He also signed an agreement with neighbor Serbia, not an EU member– and not likely ever to become one because of her strong ties with Russia among other things. Under the new agreement, Serbia will ultimately receive 10 billion cubic meters of Gazprom Turkish gas.

On June 29 as Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić took the office of Serbian President, Ana Brnabic became Prime Minister. She told Parliament that she would seek a "balanced foreign policy" and her government would especially seek good relations with Russia and China. Serbia's new Defense Minister, Alexandar Vulin, was bitterly opposed by Washington among other things for his known pro-Russian orientation. Aleksandar Vučić himself met with Vladimir Putin the week before his election as President and reaffirmed the close relations between Russia and Serbia.

On July 5, Hungary's government also signed an agreement to receive gas from Turkish stream. Earlier this year Russia's President went to Budapest where he and Prime Minister Orbán discussed Hungarian participation in Turkish Stream as well as Russian construction of nuclear plants in Hungary.

At the World Oil Congress on July 9-11 in Istanbul Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made clear that Turkey aims to become an energy hub between east and west, north and south. In short all the elements of a major new realignment are coming together between Balkan states, Russia and Turkey.

Turkish Stream

In December 2014 after the Brussels EU Commission, backed by Washington, pressured the Bulgarian government to cancel the agreement to land Gazprom gas via the South Stream pipeline to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, Russian President Putin announced that South Stream was dead. At the same time Russia began negotiations with Turkey on the Turkish Stream alternative.

To avoid punitive EU laws, Gazprom's Turkish Stream pipeline passing through Turkey will end at the Turkish-Bulgarian border, with the second possibly ending at Lüleburgaz in the Marmara region of Turkey, close to Turkey's border with Greece. From there it would be up to the purchasing countries to contract their own pipelines and construct them for the use of the Turkish Stream. EU law forbids Gazprom from building and operating its own gas pipelines inside the EU.

The Baltic Shift

In recent months as Brussels EU policies become more and more onerous, the countries of eastern Europe, especially Hungary, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have turned their sights eastward to Eurasia and especially Russia and China and their growing infrastructure investments in OBOR and other Eurasian infrastructure networks.

In February 2017 during a visit of Russian President Putin to Budapest, Hungary signed a $17 billion contract with the Rosatom Group, Russia's state nuclear power company for construction of two reactors at Paks Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear plant in the country. Russia also has 51% stake in a Czech project company, Nuclear Power Alliance, together with Czech Skoda JS that will bid for several planned Czech nuclear plants. The latest Czech national energy plan views nuclear electricity as a safe way to meet EU CO2 emission reduction targets as does Hungary

The Turkish government has also chosen Russia's Rosatom to build its first nuclear power plant, the Akkuyu NPP, with four reactors near the Mediterranean in southern Turkey across from Cyprus. The first unit costing $20 billion is being built by a Russian-Turkish consortium together with the Turkish construction group, Cengiz-Kalyon-Kolin (CKK). It will be operational in 2023.

Today, as the USA and most of Western Europe have frozen investment in nuclear power technology and has lost qualified trained manpower, Russia emerges as the world leader in export of nuclear technology with over 60% of the global market.

Areva, Europe's largest nuclear plant producer based in France has not won a foreign contract since 2007. In the USA Westinghouse, the largest US nuclear plant provider historically, has undergone troubling times to put it mildly. The Pittsburg group's nuclear power business was sold and today is owned by Japan's Toshiba group. The Westinghouse nuclear group, which recently contracted to supply four new domestic US plants, their first in thirty years, is plagued by cost overruns and law suits and Westinghouse Electric has been forced to declare bankruptcy. Russia by contrast currently has contracts to build 34 reactors in 13 countries, with an estimated total value of $300 billion.

The significance of these natural gas and nuclear electricity deals by Russia with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey are creating the horror of Washington, a shift of a disillusioned Baltic region from a politically bankrupt Brussels EU and a Germany which has lost its bearings.

Notable in this context is the latest confirmation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the $2.4 billion purchase of several units of the advanced Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems, despite fierce efforts by the Trump Administration and by NATO to stop it. The advanced S-400 is considered by military experts as the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet, far more formidable than the US Patriot system that Washington wanted to have Turkey buy.

The fact that now several nations of the Balkans are clearly upgrading their economic relations with Russia and with Turkey underscores the reality of a European Dis-union rather than the promised European Union. The foolish EU Commission decision to take Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland to EU court for rejecting mandatory Brussels refugee quotas has also widened the divide between the EU east and the west.

Top-down political constructions such as today's EU and all its anti-democratic institutions such as the EU Commission and the European Parliament which stomp on basic national sovereign rights, much like sado-masochistic personal relations, are inherently unviable. As the last quarter century of experience with Washington as the world Sole Superpower since the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrate, Top Dog-Under-Dog is no viable model for healthy peaceful international relations. The hysterical sound of who is most loudly barking says it all.




F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine "New Eastern Outlook"

You are really trouble maker  :D . This is a topic about WW1.

But when you sent article Engdhal to comment. Engdahl is known among the few readers in Serbia of geopolitical websites and pro-Russian magazines ("Geopolitika" and "Pecat"). Among them, me too.

Engdahl failed to mention the Russian gas pipeline South Stream in the article or it is history for it. Also, although EU dictator Vucic does not give up on Serbia's "placing" into the European Union, Engdahl believes Serbia will never be there. Unofficially such attitudes can be heard in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. The imaginary Tito or President Vucic and the pro-EU media in Serbia persuading the people to agree with some of Brussels's conditions, and there they are in Europe. The Liberal Opposition even wants Serbia to join NATO.
Pro-Christian, pro-democracy pro-Russian opposition was closed for Vucic`s media and proEU media. I hope success in the elections for the City of Belgrade.

Let's get back to the gas pipeline. The US and the EU have ordered Bulgaria to interrupt the construction of the South Stream that officially began but the puppet government, as at the time of Communism, carried out the task and interrupted work on the South Stream in 2016.

Most interesting is this:

EU "offered Russia to build pipeline bypassing Serbia"  :o >:(

Serbian FM Dacic says he learned "from Russian colleagues" that EU officials "offered Russia to build a gas pipeline dubbed Eastern Ring."
Source: Tanjug Friday, June 19, 2015 | 09:16
This pipeline would go through Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia - bypassing Serbia...."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business.php?yyyy=2015&mm=06&dd=19&nav_id=94489//

Al Bundy

Declarations of war

1914: 8/5.     Montenegro         Austro-Hungary*       
1914: 8./6.    Austro-Hungary    Russia
1914: 8./6.     Serbia                    Germany
1914: 8/9.     Montenegro            Germany

*Serbian government after war accused King Nikola I of Montenegro that all time of war was in contact with Habsburgs

Al Bundy

First conflict before? WW1 started    Serbia, 7/28 1914.

Austro-Hungarian river monitor started to bombing a Belgrade.



First bullet in WW1:
The Serbian battalion was planted on the very bank of the Drina River, the commander of the battalion read the proclamation ... the Declaration of the war against Serbia.
Once this was completed, one Corporal approached the coast.
On the other hand, the Austro-Hungarian colonel inspected his unit. This corporal, Stevan Vukovic, removed the rifle from the shoulder, aimed and hit the Austro-Hungarian commander of the regiment.



All the infuriated commander of the battalion touched Kaplar: "What have you done, unhappy?" Kaplar Vuković stood still and replied: "... Captain, the war began!" (Page 7)

Source: article in Belgrade magazine "Duga" by historian and Yugoslav Colonel M. Prelevic and Rajko Djurdjevic  ( May 1984)

EvadingGrid

Serbian Campaign of World War I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_of_World_War_I

Austria-Hungary invaded the Kingdom of Serbia at the outset (beginning) of World War I

Al Bundy

While the Austro-Hungarian Army performs artillery preparations for the invasion of Serbia, тhe declarations of war in Europe continues.

1914: 8/9                Montenegro Germany     
1914: 8/11           France          Austro-Hungary
1914: 8/12           Great Britain Austro-Hungary

#1 Trouble Maker

Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 09, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
You are really trouble maker  :D . This is a topic about WW1.

But when you sent article Engdhal to comment. Engdahl is known among the few readers in Serbia of geopolitical websites and pro-Russian magazines ("Geopolitika" and "Pecat"). Among them, me too.

Engdahl failed to mention the Russian gas pipeline South Stream in the article or it is history for it. Also, although EU dictator Vucic does not give up on Serbia's "placing" into the European Union, Engdahl believes Serbia will never be there. Unofficially such attitudes can be heard in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. The imaginary Tito or President Vucic and the pro-EU media in Serbia persuading the people to agree with some of Brussels's conditions, and there they are in Europe. The Liberal Opposition even wants Serbia to join NATO.
Pro-Christian, pro-democracy pro-Russian opposition was closed for Vucic`s media and proEU media. I hope success in the elections for the City of Belgrade.

Let's get back to the gas pipeline. The US and the EU have ordered Bulgaria to interrupt the construction of the South Stream that officially began but the puppet government, as at the time of Communism, carried out the task and interrupted work on the South Stream in 2016.

Most interesting is this:

EU "offered Russia to build pipeline bypassing Serbia"  :o >:(

Serbian FM Dacic says he learned "from Russian colleagues" that EU officials "offered Russia to build a gas pipeline dubbed Eastern Ring."
Source: Tanjug Friday, June 19, 2015 | 09:16
This pipeline would go through Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia - bypassing Serbia...."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business.php?yyyy=2015&mm=06&dd=19&nav_id=94489//

I know I crashed the party but I appreciate your insight on the current state of affairs.

Also, keep us posted as things begin to heat up in that area.
WE WILL NOT ACCEPT GENOCIDE AS THE NEW NORMAL EVER!!!

Al Bundy

Quote from: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 10, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
I know I crashed the party but I appreciate your insight on the current state of affairs.

Also, keep us posted as things begin to heat up in that area.

OK. I will sending information from topic BalkanNews.

Al Bundy

On this day 1914 became Austro-Hungarian invasion on Serbia.



Army of Habsburg Empire led by Gen. Potiorek ( Slovenian origin (?!) while defending of Serbia led by Gen. Stepanovic.


   

Austro-Hungarian Invasional Army had 20000 soldiers and Serbian Army had 180000 for defense. Agressor had double more arillery.

War strategists in Vienna intend to attack Serbia where they least expect them: from Bosnia, across the Drina River and after a hilly terrain. At the same time, a smaller group was supposed to keep a large number of Serbian soldiers on the banks of the Sava River. However ....

source: Serbian historian Adam Stosic "Great days of Serbia:1914-1918" ; 1994.


Al Bundy

Belgrade, Smederevo and V. Gradište are heavily bombarded and numerous attempts by the Austro-Hungarian army to cross the Danube have failed, with great losses.

The first battle in the First World War

However, this did not happen in the west, where the Austro-Hungarian army crossed the rivers Drina (in rainy weathe !) and Sava. With this breakthrough, the Austro-Hungarian army occupied the cities of Loznica and Sabac and broke into the Cer mountain in middle of August. 
The Serb armies move to Cer in a counter attack. This was the beginning of the "Battle of Cer."

Sources: Horne, Charles F. (2005). The Great Events of the Great War: Part Two. Kessinger Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4191-3369-5.
               Thomas, Nigel (2001). Armies in the Balkans: 1914–18. Oxford: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-78096-735-6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3Zubdkw7A//


Al Bundy


Al Bundy

I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.



https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914



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EvadingGrid

Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 23, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.


You might be correct.
Historians argue over things like start date of WW1.

Example :
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918

* cat  eats 6 custard doughnuts

I would date the start of WW1 earlier...
I think from the minute the bullet left the gun in Sarejvo and killed the Archduke Ferdinand. (June 28)

Historians date the war a month after the assassination, when the multiple declarations of war where made by Austro-Hungry, Germany, France, Britain etc...

July Crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Crisis



Last Edit by Palmerston

Amercian 'Historians' think that its only a World War if they are fighting. So they think WW2 started after Pearl Harbour, and in the First World War (April 1917)

Crazies


So you probably are correct, at least by my calendar.



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Al Bundy



After more than 5 days of bloody fighting, the Serbian Army under the command of Gen. Strepanovic rejected a powerful Austro-Hungarian army across the Drina and Sava rivers. fIRST VICTORY OF ENTENTE ALLIES


Your deeds are immortal" - monument near village Tekeris on mountain Cer.


The Army of the Habsburg monarchy had 23 000 dead and wounded and 4,000  POW !
The Serbs have hardly paid a victory at the mountain Cer: 16,045 soldiers and non-commissioned officers and 299 officers.

Supreme Commander of Serbian Army Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjevic promoted Gen. Stepanovic in rank of Voivoda ( like Fieldmarshal on West ).

Source: A. Stosic "Great days of Serbia 1914-,1918" ( pg.18).



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Al Bundy

Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 23, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.



https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914



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In the same time Austro-Hungarian Army murdered Serbian civilians and German Army in the that time killed civilians in Belgium. :-\

https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-atrocities-german-1914



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Speech of Earl David Lloyd George in September 1914

"The Case of Serbia.

But Belgium is not the only little nation that has been attacked in this war and I make no excuse for
referring to the case of the other little nation, the case of Serbia.

(Hear,hear.)

The history of Serbia is not unblotted.
Whose history, in the category of nations isunblotted ?
(Hear,hear.)

The first" nation that is without sin, let her cast a stone at Serbia. She was a nation trained in a horrible school, but she won her freedom with a tenacious valour, and she has maintained it by the same
courage.

(Applause.)

If any Serbians were mixed up in the assassination of the Grand Duke, they ought to be punished.

(Hear,hear.)

Serbia admits that. The Serbian Government had nothing to do with it. Not even Austria claims that.
The Serbian Prime Minister is one of the most capable and honored men in Europe.

(Hear,hear.)

Serbia was willing to punish any one of her subjects who had been proved to have any complicity in that
assassination. What more could you expert'. What were the Austrian demands ? Serbia sympathised
with her fellow-countrymen in Bosnia— that was one of her crimes. She must do so no more. Her
newspapers were saying nasty tings about Austria: they must do so no longer. Serbian newspapers
must not criticize Austria. I wonder what would have happened if we had taken the same line about
German newspapers.

(Hear, hear.)
Serbia said: "Very well, we will give orders to the newspapers that they must in future criticize neither
Austria, nor Hungary nor anything that istheirs."

(Laughter.)

Who can doubt the valour of Serbia, when she undertook to tackle her newspaper editors ?
(Laughter and applause.)

She promised not to sympathise with Bosnia; she promised to write no critical articles about Austria:
she would have no public meetings in which anything unkind was said about Austria.
"Serbia Faced the Situation with Dignity."

But that was not enough.She must dismiss from her Army the officers whom Austria should subsequently
name. Those officers had just emerged from a war where they had added lustre to the Serbian arms;
they were gallant, brave and efficient.

(Hear,hear.)

I wonder whether it was their guilt or their efficiency that prompted Austria's action ! But, mark you,
the officers were not named: Serbia was to undertake in advance to dismiss them from the Army, the
names to be sent in subsequently.
Can you name a country in the world that would have stood that ?

(Cries of "No.'')

Supposing Austria or Germany had issued an ultimatum of that kind to this country, saying " You must
dismiss from your Army— and from your Navy —
(Laughter)—all those officers whom we shall subsequently name." Well, I think I could name them now.
(Laughter)

Lord Kitchener

(Loud applause)— would go. Sir John French — (Applause) — would be sent away ; Gen. Smith-Dorrien

(Applause) —would go, and I am sure that Sir John Jellicoe—(Applause)—would have to go. And there is
another gallant old warrior who would go—Lord Roberts.

(Applause.)

It was a difficult situation for a small country. Here was a demand made upon her by a great military
power that could have put half-a-dozen men in the held for every one of Serbia's men, and that Power
was supported by the greatest military Power in the world.
How did Serbia behave ?
It is not what happens to you in life that matters. It 1- the way in which you face it—

{Hear, hear)

-and Serbia faced the situation with dignity.She said to Austria : "If any officers of mine have been guilty.
And are proved to be guilty, I will dismiss them." Austria said: " That is not good enough for me." It was
not guilt she was after, but capacity.
(Hear, hear.)

Russia's Turn.

Then came Russia's turn. Russia has a special regard for Serbia ; she has a special interest in Serbia.
Russians have shed their blood for Serbian independence many a time, for Serbia is a member of
Russia's family, and she cannot see Serbia maltreated.
Austria knew that. Germany knew it, and she turned round to Russia, and said :" I insist that you shall stand by with your arms folded whilst Austria is strangling your little brother to death.'

What answer did the Russian Slav give ? He gave the only answer that becomes a man.

(Hear,hear.)

He turned to Austria, and said:"So lay hands on that little fellow, and I wall tear your ramshackle Empire
—(Loud applause and laughter)—limb from limb."

And he is doing it !"
(Loud applause.)

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Good scene. Austro-Hungarian emperor Franz Josef I is not happy when signed declaration of war against Serbia.
He taught and his lickspittles in Wien that will be easy speedy war only against Serbia but Habsburg started WW1.



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Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 04, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Declarations of war I

7/28 1914: Austro-Hungary   Serbia

8/1   1914: Germany               Russia
8/3   1914  Germany               France
8/4   1914  Great Britain         Germany
8/4   1914  Germany               Belgium

But former  ;) CIA agent John DEUTCH ( German ) is ignorant or lie "...Black Hand' organization. Headed by the Serbian intelligence chief, Colonel 'Apis,' it engineered the assassination of Austria's Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914, setting off the First World War."

"Black hand" is helped and armed "Bosnia Youth" ( Gavrilo Princip and others ) to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand who came in Bosnia to look maneuvers of Austro-Hungarian Army that were at the border with Serbia.


https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=13&nav_id=103473



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Good scene. Austro-Hungarian emperor Franz Josef I is not happy when signed declaration of war against Serbia.
He taught and his lickspittles in Wien that will be easy speedy war only against Serbia but Habsburg started WW1.



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Telegraph from Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Josef Habsburg in which declaring war on Serbia and
start WW1.



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