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Title: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 28, 2017, 02:49:56 PM
7/28/1914.

The beginning of the First World War: falsely blaming Serbia for the assassination of their throne of the Friars of Ferdinand * Austro-Hungary announced the war to Serbia!


(https://s4.postimg.org/untugmtz1/srpskistrazarna_Kalemegdanu1914.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/q1xq8a8ft/)
Serbian soldier in Belgrade waiting for Austro-Hungarian attack


Аt 22:00, while Serbian FM Nikola Pasic хаd lunch, a telegram from Pest arrived:

"The Royal Serbian Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Since the Royal Serbian Government did not give a satisfactory answer to our note handed over by an Austro-Hungarian deputy in Belgrade 7/23/1914. ,
The Imprial-Royal Government finds it necessary to satisfy its own rights and interests, and to seize arms. Austro-Hungary considers that, from this moment, it is in a state of war with Serbia.
                          Minister of Foreign Affairs of Austria-Hungary, Count Berthold,

Source: M. Oljaca "Heroic defense of Belgrade 1914-1915", Belgrade, 1964.

We can open a topic about Assasination in Sarajevo in 1914 but my facts are that Serbian Government do not participated in murder of Franz Ferdinand. Gavrilo Princip ( "Bosnian Youth" ) with help of secret Serbian military organization ( "United or Dead" ) killed AU Prince.
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: EvadingGrid on Jul 28, 2017, 03:10:43 PM
Уједињење или смрт

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Black_Hand%2C_logo.png)
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 29, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
  Serbian Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjević, 7/29/1914 Nis, Serbia

    "To my heroic and dear Serbs!
      There is a lot of evil will come on our Serbia. Austria-Hungary has declared war on us. Now, we all have to be united and heroes.
The troubles of our kingdom and our people with Austria have not started since yesterday *.
Wherever Vienna needed, the greatest promises were made that it would be right to act with the Serbs and Croats  **, and yet it remained unfulfilled. Serbian and Croatian border guards, and so many of our heroes, gave blood all over Europe for the glory and honor of the Imperial Palace in Vienna .... Serbia always did everything in its power to live in a friendship with the neighboring Еmpire - it's all nothing helped....

(https://s3.postimg.org/8xvqw7dtv/inovercoatandcap.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4bzmnusan/)


Serbia sincerely regretted this fatal event, convicted that it would hand over to the court of every participant *** but quickly saw with astonishment that the Austrians .... throwing their headache to their own mismanagement or to some of the culprits of the act rather than the Kingdom of Serbia. No matter what the murder is only one man, their subject, with the help of several comrades, and in their country, in the eyes of their authorities, Austria forbade our...officers, the Serbian government, and ultimately the entire Kingdom of Serbia and all the Serbs wherever they are. So the accusation of an independent state for guilty others is unique in the history of Europe, where such crimes are, unfortunately, not rare ....

Although a hard heart is aware of all the difficulties and hazards, just at the time when the Serbian warriors were preparing to gather the fruits of their efforts **** I am forced to invite all my dear and brave Serbs under the Serbian tricolor with the conviction that they will, and on this occasion, Show that past ... In our glorious past, the elderly and the newer, there are many testimonies that a Serb, when he is united, can win a much bigger opponent. Let's testify once again that a Serb can sacrifice for his homeland and ... by sacrificing (like the Medieval knight Obilic ) in front of many ardent enemies.
     Serbs defend your homes and the Serbian tribe with all your might.

                                                                                      ( signatures of all members of the Serbian government)

Source: Silvia Djuric "Dnevnik pobede", (p.20), Belgrade, 1988.

* Great Powers in Berlin 1878, allowed Austro-Hungary to occupy Bosnia and Herzegovina to restore law and order.
"Pig war" 1906-1908 ( Austro-Hungarian sanctions against Serbia ).
In 1908 Emperor Francis Joseph I unilaterally declared Bosnia and Herzegovina as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and provoked a crisis that came to the brink of war with Serbia and Russia ("The Annexion Crisis"),   
1912/1913 Serbia withdrew from the exit to the Ionian Sea after Austria-Hungary was threatened with war etc.

**It is already here (between lines) in the first war proclamation of Regent Alexander that the war goal of Serbia is not only defense but the liberation of Serbs and Croats in Austria-Hungary and the creation of a new state of Yugoslavia !
*** murders in Sarajevo in June, 28
**** Brilliant victories of Serbian soldiers in both Balkan wars ( Turks, Albanians and Bulgarians ).
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 30, 2017, 03:54:29 PM

Count Istvan Tisza Hungarian Prime Minister: "With Russia, we will have success and failure according to war happiness, but in Serbia we have to become a strong patrol in a drunken bar."

(https://s3.postimg.org/dywng0a6b/Ferenc_Jozsef_es_Tisza_Istvan.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/njga2vzi7/)

Source: Adam Stosic " Great days of Serbia 1914-1918", 1994, (p. 42)
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 04, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Declarations of war I

7/28 1914: Austro-Hungary   Serbia

8/1   1914: Germany               Russia
8/3   1914  Germany               France
8/4   1914  Great Britain         Germany
8/4   1914  Germany               Belgium

Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 04, 2017, 04:40:39 PM
The Balkans 2017 (Why It Matters)
Turkey, Russia and Interesting New Balkan Geopolitics
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO31July2017.php

By F. William Engdahl
31 July 2017

The geopolitical template of the entire European Union is undergoing one of its most profound changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union more than twenty-five years ago. At the June 30 meeting in Ankara of the Turkish-Hungarian Business Forum Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stated that Hungary "stands by its friends" and it is on Turkey's side in its current war of words with the European Union. The Hungarian Prime Minister also praised Turkey's role in preventing a huge further refugee flow into the EU, noting that "Without Turkey Europe would have been flooded with many millions of immigrants," stating that for this Turkey "deserves respect." Behind the comments, calculated to enrage the EU and its unelected, faceless bureaucrats, stands far more than the issue of refugees and rights of national sovereignty .

There's a major tectonic shift underway not only in Hungary but also across the entire Balkans. The shift involves Erdogan's Turkey and also Putin's Russia. The outlines of a new Balkans geopolitics are emerging and it's opening huge fault-lines within the EU between die-hard NATO Atlanticists and pragmatic EU states more keen on economic development and the health and safety of their countries than in defending a bankrupt declining USA Superpower.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán was in Turkey for no casual photo op. He was there to talk business, economic business. He brought with him half of his cabinet and around 70 business leaders to discuss areas of increased bilateral economic cooperation. Orbán also met privately with Turkish President Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim.

Energy Hub for Southeast Europe

Though it was played down in media releases, a central issue discussed in Ankara was the prospect of Russian natural gas imports via Turkey's Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

With the legally dubious new US sanctions bill targeting European companies investing in the Russian-German Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which would bypass Ukraine, Russia is accelerating its priority to complete construction of its Turkish Stream gas pipeline from the already-built gas pumping station near Anapa in Southern Russia, going beneath the Black Sea, that will pass through Turkey to the Bulgarian and perhaps Greek borders.

The latest incredibly foolish US Congressional sanctions, aiming as well at Iran and North Korea, punish German and Austrian companies investing in the northern EU Nord Stream II pipeline from near St Petersburg, claiming it's illegal under international law for a US President to sanction companies outside their territorial jurisdiction, legally termed extra-territoriality.

The announcement of new sanctions aimed at Nord Stream II has led Russia to accelerate laying of its Black Sea Turkish Stream line, currently running ahead of plan. Gazprom contractor Swiss Allseas has laid about 15 miles of the pipeline under the Black Sea since May. The first of two parallel pipelines is due to open in March 2018, the second in 1919. The annual capacity of each leg is estimated to reach 15.75 billion cubic meters of natural gas or a total of almost 32 bcm for both.

Here is where things get interesting.

In early July newly elected Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that he intended to sign an agreement on transit of gas from the Russian-Turkish Turkish Stream pipeline. He also signed an agreement with neighbor Serbia, not an EU member– and not likely ever to become one because of her strong ties with Russia among other things. Under the new agreement, Serbia will ultimately receive 10 billion cubic meters of Gazprom Turkish gas.

On June 29 as Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić took the office of Serbian President, Ana Brnabic became Prime Minister. She told Parliament that she would seek a "balanced foreign policy" and her government would especially seek good relations with Russia and China. Serbia's new Defense Minister, Alexandar Vulin, was bitterly opposed by Washington among other things for his known pro-Russian orientation. Aleksandar Vučić himself met with Vladimir Putin the week before his election as President and reaffirmed the close relations between Russia and Serbia.

On July 5, Hungary's government also signed an agreement to receive gas from Turkish stream. Earlier this year Russia's President went to Budapest where he and Prime Minister Orbán discussed Hungarian participation in Turkish Stream as well as Russian construction of nuclear plants in Hungary.

At the World Oil Congress on July 9-11 in Istanbul Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made clear that Turkey aims to become an energy hub between east and west, north and south. In short all the elements of a major new realignment are coming together between Balkan states, Russia and Turkey.

Turkish Stream

In December 2014 after the Brussels EU Commission, backed by Washington, pressured the Bulgarian government to cancel the agreement to land Gazprom gas via the South Stream pipeline to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, Russian President Putin announced that South Stream was dead. At the same time Russia began negotiations with Turkey on the Turkish Stream alternative.

To avoid punitive EU laws, Gazprom's Turkish Stream pipeline passing through Turkey will end at the Turkish-Bulgarian border, with the second possibly ending at Lüleburgaz in the Marmara region of Turkey, close to Turkey's border with Greece. From there it would be up to the purchasing countries to contract their own pipelines and construct them for the use of the Turkish Stream. EU law forbids Gazprom from building and operating its own gas pipelines inside the EU.

The Baltic Shift

In recent months as Brussels EU policies become more and more onerous, the countries of eastern Europe, especially Hungary, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have turned their sights eastward to Eurasia and especially Russia and China and their growing infrastructure investments in OBOR and other Eurasian infrastructure networks.

In February 2017 during a visit of Russian President Putin to Budapest, Hungary signed a $17 billion contract with the Rosatom Group, Russia's state nuclear power company for construction of two reactors at Paks Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear plant in the country. Russia also has 51% stake in a Czech project company, Nuclear Power Alliance, together with Czech Skoda JS that will bid for several planned Czech nuclear plants. The latest Czech national energy plan views nuclear electricity as a safe way to meet EU CO2 emission reduction targets as does Hungary

The Turkish government has also chosen Russia's Rosatom to build its first nuclear power plant, the Akkuyu NPP, with four reactors near the Mediterranean in southern Turkey across from Cyprus. The first unit costing $20 billion is being built by a Russian-Turkish consortium together with the Turkish construction group, Cengiz-Kalyon-Kolin (CKK). It will be operational in 2023.

Today, as the USA and most of Western Europe have frozen investment in nuclear power technology and has lost qualified trained manpower, Russia emerges as the world leader in export of nuclear technology with over 60% of the global market.

Areva, Europe's largest nuclear plant producer based in France has not won a foreign contract since 2007. In the USA Westinghouse, the largest US nuclear plant provider historically, has undergone troubling times to put it mildly. The Pittsburg group's nuclear power business was sold and today is owned by Japan's Toshiba group. The Westinghouse nuclear group, which recently contracted to supply four new domestic US plants, their first in thirty years, is plagued by cost overruns and law suits and Westinghouse Electric has been forced to declare bankruptcy. Russia by contrast currently has contracts to build 34 reactors in 13 countries, with an estimated total value of $300 billion.

The significance of these natural gas and nuclear electricity deals by Russia with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey are creating the horror of Washington, a shift of a disillusioned Baltic region from a politically bankrupt Brussels EU and a Germany which has lost its bearings.

Notable in this context is the latest confirmation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the $2.4 billion purchase of several units of the advanced Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems, despite fierce efforts by the Trump Administration and by NATO to stop it. The advanced S-400 is considered by military experts as the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet, far more formidable than the US Patriot system that Washington wanted to have Turkey buy.

The fact that now several nations of the Balkans are clearly upgrading their economic relations with Russia and with Turkey underscores the reality of a European Dis-union rather than the promised European Union. The foolish EU Commission decision to take Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland to EU court for rejecting mandatory Brussels refugee quotas has also widened the divide between the EU east and the west.

Top-down political constructions such as today's EU and all its anti-democratic institutions such as the EU Commission and the European Parliament which stomp on basic national sovereign rights, much like sado-masochistic personal relations, are inherently unviable. As the last quarter century of experience with Washington as the world Sole Superpower since the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrate, Top Dog-Under-Dog is no viable model for healthy peaceful international relations. The hysterical sound of who is most loudly barking says it all.




F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine "New Eastern Outlook"
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 09, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 04, 2017, 04:40:39 PM
The Balkans 2017 (Why It Matters)
Turkey, Russia and Interesting New Balkan Geopolitics
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO31July2017.php

By F. William Engdahl
31 July 2017

The geopolitical template of the entire European Union is undergoing one of its most profound changes since the collapse of the Soviet Union more than twenty-five years ago. At the June 30 meeting in Ankara of the Turkish-Hungarian Business Forum Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stated that Hungary "stands by its friends" and it is on Turkey's side in its current war of words with the European Union. The Hungarian Prime Minister also praised Turkey's role in preventing a huge further refugee flow into the EU, noting that "Without Turkey Europe would have been flooded with many millions of immigrants," stating that for this Turkey "deserves respect." Behind the comments, calculated to enrage the EU and its unelected, faceless bureaucrats, stands far more than the issue of refugees and rights of national sovereignty .

There's a major tectonic shift underway not only in Hungary but also across the entire Balkans. The shift involves Erdogan's Turkey and also Putin's Russia. The outlines of a new Balkans geopolitics are emerging and it's opening huge fault-lines within the EU between die-hard NATO Atlanticists and pragmatic EU states more keen on economic development and the health and safety of their countries than in defending a bankrupt declining USA Superpower.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán was in Turkey for no casual photo op. He was there to talk business, economic business. He brought with him half of his cabinet and around 70 business leaders to discuss areas of increased bilateral economic cooperation. Orbán also met privately with Turkish President Erdogan and Prime Minister Binali Yildirim.

Energy Hub for Southeast Europe

Though it was played down in media releases, a central issue discussed in Ankara was the prospect of Russian natural gas imports via Turkey's Turkish Stream gas pipeline.

With the legally dubious new US sanctions bill targeting European companies investing in the Russian-German Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which would bypass Ukraine, Russia is accelerating its priority to complete construction of its Turkish Stream gas pipeline from the already-built gas pumping station near Anapa in Southern Russia, going beneath the Black Sea, that will pass through Turkey to the Bulgarian and perhaps Greek borders.

The latest incredibly foolish US Congressional sanctions, aiming as well at Iran and North Korea, punish German and Austrian companies investing in the northern EU Nord Stream II pipeline from near St Petersburg, claiming it's illegal under international law for a US President to sanction companies outside their territorial jurisdiction, legally termed extra-territoriality.

The announcement of new sanctions aimed at Nord Stream II has led Russia to accelerate laying of its Black Sea Turkish Stream line, currently running ahead of plan. Gazprom contractor Swiss Allseas has laid about 15 miles of the pipeline under the Black Sea since May. The first of two parallel pipelines is due to open in March 2018, the second in 1919. The annual capacity of each leg is estimated to reach 15.75 billion cubic meters of natural gas or a total of almost 32 bcm for both.

Here is where things get interesting.

In early July newly elected Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov announced that he intended to sign an agreement on transit of gas from the Russian-Turkish Turkish Stream pipeline. He also signed an agreement with neighbor Serbia, not an EU member– and not likely ever to become one because of her strong ties with Russia among other things. Under the new agreement, Serbia will ultimately receive 10 billion cubic meters of Gazprom Turkish gas.

On June 29 as Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić took the office of Serbian President, Ana Brnabic became Prime Minister. She told Parliament that she would seek a "balanced foreign policy" and her government would especially seek good relations with Russia and China. Serbia's new Defense Minister, Alexandar Vulin, was bitterly opposed by Washington among other things for his known pro-Russian orientation. Aleksandar Vučić himself met with Vladimir Putin the week before his election as President and reaffirmed the close relations between Russia and Serbia.

On July 5, Hungary's government also signed an agreement to receive gas from Turkish stream. Earlier this year Russia's President went to Budapest where he and Prime Minister Orbán discussed Hungarian participation in Turkish Stream as well as Russian construction of nuclear plants in Hungary.

At the World Oil Congress on July 9-11 in Istanbul Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made clear that Turkey aims to become an energy hub between east and west, north and south. In short all the elements of a major new realignment are coming together between Balkan states, Russia and Turkey.

Turkish Stream

In December 2014 after the Brussels EU Commission, backed by Washington, pressured the Bulgarian government to cancel the agreement to land Gazprom gas via the South Stream pipeline to the Bulgarian port of Burgas, Russian President Putin announced that South Stream was dead. At the same time Russia began negotiations with Turkey on the Turkish Stream alternative.

To avoid punitive EU laws, Gazprom's Turkish Stream pipeline passing through Turkey will end at the Turkish-Bulgarian border, with the second possibly ending at Lüleburgaz in the Marmara region of Turkey, close to Turkey's border with Greece. From there it would be up to the purchasing countries to contract their own pipelines and construct them for the use of the Turkish Stream. EU law forbids Gazprom from building and operating its own gas pipelines inside the EU.

The Baltic Shift

In recent months as Brussels EU policies become more and more onerous, the countries of eastern Europe, especially Hungary, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have turned their sights eastward to Eurasia and especially Russia and China and their growing infrastructure investments in OBOR and other Eurasian infrastructure networks.

In February 2017 during a visit of Russian President Putin to Budapest, Hungary signed a $17 billion contract with the Rosatom Group, Russia's state nuclear power company for construction of two reactors at Paks Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear plant in the country. Russia also has 51% stake in a Czech project company, Nuclear Power Alliance, together with Czech Skoda JS that will bid for several planned Czech nuclear plants. The latest Czech national energy plan views nuclear electricity as a safe way to meet EU CO2 emission reduction targets as does Hungary

The Turkish government has also chosen Russia's Rosatom to build its first nuclear power plant, the Akkuyu NPP, with four reactors near the Mediterranean in southern Turkey across from Cyprus. The first unit costing $20 billion is being built by a Russian-Turkish consortium together with the Turkish construction group, Cengiz-Kalyon-Kolin (CKK). It will be operational in 2023.

Today, as the USA and most of Western Europe have frozen investment in nuclear power technology and has lost qualified trained manpower, Russia emerges as the world leader in export of nuclear technology with over 60% of the global market.

Areva, Europe's largest nuclear plant producer based in France has not won a foreign contract since 2007. In the USA Westinghouse, the largest US nuclear plant provider historically, has undergone troubling times to put it mildly. The Pittsburg group's nuclear power business was sold and today is owned by Japan's Toshiba group. The Westinghouse nuclear group, which recently contracted to supply four new domestic US plants, their first in thirty years, is plagued by cost overruns and law suits and Westinghouse Electric has been forced to declare bankruptcy. Russia by contrast currently has contracts to build 34 reactors in 13 countries, with an estimated total value of $300 billion.

The significance of these natural gas and nuclear electricity deals by Russia with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey are creating the horror of Washington, a shift of a disillusioned Baltic region from a politically bankrupt Brussels EU and a Germany which has lost its bearings.

Notable in this context is the latest confirmation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of the $2.4 billion purchase of several units of the advanced Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft defense systems, despite fierce efforts by the Trump Administration and by NATO to stop it. The advanced S-400 is considered by military experts as the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet, far more formidable than the US Patriot system that Washington wanted to have Turkey buy.

The fact that now several nations of the Balkans are clearly upgrading their economic relations with Russia and with Turkey underscores the reality of a European Dis-union rather than the promised European Union. The foolish EU Commission decision to take Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland to EU court for rejecting mandatory Brussels refugee quotas has also widened the divide between the EU east and the west.

Top-down political constructions such as today's EU and all its anti-democratic institutions such as the EU Commission and the European Parliament which stomp on basic national sovereign rights, much like sado-masochistic personal relations, are inherently unviable. As the last quarter century of experience with Washington as the world Sole Superpower since the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrate, Top Dog-Under-Dog is no viable model for healthy peaceful international relations. The hysterical sound of who is most loudly barking says it all.




F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine "New Eastern Outlook"

You are really trouble maker  :D . This is a topic about WW1.

But when you sent article Engdhal to comment. Engdahl is known among the few readers in Serbia of geopolitical websites and pro-Russian magazines ("Geopolitika" and "Pecat"). Among them, me too.

Engdahl failed to mention the Russian gas pipeline South Stream in the article or it is history for it. Also, although EU dictator Vucic does not give up on Serbia's "placing" into the European Union, Engdahl believes Serbia will never be there. Unofficially such attitudes can be heard in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. The imaginary Tito or President Vucic and the pro-EU media in Serbia persuading the people to agree with some of Brussels's conditions, and there they are in Europe. The Liberal Opposition even wants Serbia to join NATO.
Pro-Christian, pro-democracy pro-Russian opposition was closed for Vucic`s media and proEU media. I hope success in the elections for the City of Belgrade.

Let's get back to the gas pipeline. The US and the EU have ordered Bulgaria to interrupt the construction of the South Stream that officially began but the puppet government, as at the time of Communism, carried out the task and interrupted work on the South Stream in 2016.

Most interesting is this:

EU "offered Russia to build pipeline bypassing Serbia"  :o >:(

Serbian FM Dacic says he learned "from Russian colleagues" that EU officials "offered Russia to build a gas pipeline dubbed Eastern Ring."
Source: Tanjug Friday, June 19, 2015 | 09:16
This pipeline would go through Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia - bypassing Serbia...."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business.php?yyyy=2015&mm=06&dd=19&nav_id=94489//
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 09, 2017, 04:59:21 PM
Declarations of war

1914: 8/5.     Montenegro         Austro-Hungary*       
1914: 8./6.    Austro-Hungary    Russia
1914: 8./6.     Serbia                    Germany
1914: 8/9.     Montenegro            Germany

*Serbian government after war accused King Nikola I of Montenegro that all time of war was in contact with Habsburgs
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 09, 2017, 05:44:51 PM
First conflict before? WW1 started    Serbia, 7/28 1914.

Austro-Hungarian river monitor started to bombing a Belgrade.

(https://s28.postimg.org/pk34501od/1austrougarskimonitor.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

First bullet in WW1:
The Serbian battalion was planted on the very bank of the Drina River, the commander of the battalion read the proclamation ... the Declaration of the war against Serbia.
Once this was completed, one Corporal approached the coast.
On the other hand, the Austro-Hungarian colonel inspected his unit. This corporal, Stevan Vukovic, removed the rifle from the shoulder, aimed and hit the Austro-Hungarian commander of the regiment.

(https://s28.postimg.org/xowofm1rh/kaplar_Stepan_Vulovic.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

All the infuriated commander of the battalion touched Kaplar: "What have you done, unhappy?" Kaplar Vuković stood still and replied: "... Captain, the war began!" (Page 7)

Source: article in Belgrade magazine "Duga" by historian and Yugoslav Colonel M. Prelevic and Rajko Djurdjevic  ( May 1984)
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: EvadingGrid on Aug 10, 2017, 03:35:34 AM
Serbian Campaign of World War I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Campaign_of_World_War_I

Austria-Hungary invaded the Kingdom of Serbia at the outset (beginning) of World War I
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 10, 2017, 02:07:54 PM
While the Austro-Hungarian Army performs artillery preparations for the invasion of Serbia, тhe declarations of war in Europe continues.

1914: 8/9                Montenegro Germany     
1914: 8/11           France          Austro-Hungary
1914: 8/12           Great Britain Austro-Hungary
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 10, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 09, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
You are really trouble maker  :D . This is a topic about WW1.

But when you sent article Engdhal to comment. Engdahl is known among the few readers in Serbia of geopolitical websites and pro-Russian magazines ("Geopolitika" and "Pecat"). Among them, me too.

Engdahl failed to mention the Russian gas pipeline South Stream in the article or it is history for it. Also, although EU dictator Vucic does not give up on Serbia's "placing" into the European Union, Engdahl believes Serbia will never be there. Unofficially such attitudes can be heard in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. The imaginary Tito or President Vucic and the pro-EU media in Serbia persuading the people to agree with some of Brussels's conditions, and there they are in Europe. The Liberal Opposition even wants Serbia to join NATO.
Pro-Christian, pro-democracy pro-Russian opposition was closed for Vucic`s media and proEU media. I hope success in the elections for the City of Belgrade.

Let's get back to the gas pipeline. The US and the EU have ordered Bulgaria to interrupt the construction of the South Stream that officially began but the puppet government, as at the time of Communism, carried out the task and interrupted work on the South Stream in 2016.

Most interesting is this:

EU "offered Russia to build pipeline bypassing Serbia"  :o >:(

Serbian FM Dacic says he learned "from Russian colleagues" that EU officials "offered Russia to build a gas pipeline dubbed Eastern Ring."
Source: Tanjug Friday, June 19, 2015 | 09:16
This pipeline would go through Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia - bypassing Serbia...."

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business.php?yyyy=2015&mm=06&dd=19&nav_id=94489//

I know I crashed the party but I appreciate your insight on the current state of affairs.

Also, keep us posted as things begin to heat up in that area.
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 10, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: #1 Trouble Maker on Aug 10, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
I know I crashed the party but I appreciate your insight on the current state of affairs.

Also, keep us posted as things begin to heat up in that area.

OK. I will sending information from topic BalkanNews.
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 12, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
On this day 1914 became Austro-Hungarian invasion on Serbia.

(https://s4.postimg.org/s6k3jd9fh/wwi_1914_austria.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Army of Habsburg Empire led by Gen. Potiorek ( Slovenian origin (?!) while defending of Serbia led by Gen. Stepanovic.


(https://s27.postimg.org/jqvyb6333/oskarfon_Pocorek.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/jqvyb6333/)    (https://s18.postimg.org/62oek7rmt/3_General_Stepa_Stepanovic.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/62oek7rmt/)

Austro-Hungarian Invasional Army had 20000 soldiers and Serbian Army had 180000 for defense. Agressor had double more arillery.

War strategists in Vienna intend to attack Serbia where they least expect them: from Bosnia, across the Drina River and after a hilly terrain. At the same time, a smaller group was supposed to keep a large number of Serbian soldiers on the banks of the Sava River. However ....

source: Serbian historian Adam Stosic "Great days of Serbia:1914-1918" ; 1994.

Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 16, 2017, 06:55:33 AM
Belgrade, Smederevo and V. Gradište are heavily bombarded and numerous attempts by the Austro-Hungarian army to cross the Danube have failed, with great losses.

The first battle in the First World War

However, this did not happen in the west, where the Austro-Hungarian army crossed the rivers Drina (in rainy weathe !) and Sava. With this breakthrough, the Austro-Hungarian army occupied the cities of Loznica and Sabac and broke into the Cer mountain in middle of August. 
The Serb armies move to Cer in a counter attack. This was the beginning of the "Battle of Cer."

Sources: Horne, Charles F. (2005). The Great Events of the Great War: Part Two. Kessinger Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4191-3369-5.
               Thomas, Nigel (2001). Armies in the Balkans: 1914–18. Oxford: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-78096-735-6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3Zubdkw7A//

Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 20, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
Battle of Cer - "Serbian Verdun". 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9PtH8dPysY

Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 23, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.

(https://s3.postimg.org/gx0b078ir/dudakovicnekpalisveodvde_Dvor1995.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914 (http://"https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914")



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: EvadingGrid on Aug 23, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 23, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.


You might be correct.
Historians argue over things like start date of WW1.

Example :
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918

/me  eats 6 custard doughnuts

I would date the start of WW1 earlier...
I think from the minute the bullet left the gun in Sarejvo and killed the Archduke Ferdinand. (June 28)

Historians date the war a month after the assassination, when the multiple declarations of war where made by Austro-Hungry, Germany, France, Britain etc...

July Crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Crisis



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Amercian 'Historians' think that its only a World War if they are fighting. So they think WW2 started after Pearl Harbour, and in the First World War (April 1917)

Crazies


So you probably are correct, at least by my calendar.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 25, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
(https://s2.postimg.org/x83rmqx21/Artiljerija_se_pomera_u_polozaj_odbrane_Cer.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

After more than 5 days of bloody fighting, the Serbian Army under the command of Gen. Strepanovic rejected a powerful Austro-Hungarian army across the Drina and Sava rivers. fIRST VICTORY OF ENTENTE ALLIES

(https://s2.postimg.org/4z6oqa66x/Spomenik_u_Tekerisunocu.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Your deeds are immortal" - monument near village Tekeris on mountain Cer.


The Army of the Habsburg monarchy had 23 000 dead and wounded and 4,000  POW !
The Serbs have hardly paid a victory at the mountain Cer: 16,045 soldiers and non-commissioned officers and 299 officers.

Supreme Commander of Serbian Army Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjevic promoted Gen. Stepanovic in rank of Voivoda ( like Fieldmarshal on West ).

Source: A. Stosic "Great days of Serbia 1914-,1918" ( pg.18).



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Aug 25, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 23, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
I believe Serbia was place of war crimes in First World War. In August, in county Macva Austro-Hungarian troops killed 4000 Serbian women, children and old men.

(https://s3.postimg.org/gx0b078ir/dudakovicnekpalisveodvde_Dvor1995.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914 (http://"https://serbland.tumblr.com/post/156525510231/hanged-serbian-civilians-mačva-1914")



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In the same time Austro-Hungarian Army murdered Serbian civilians and German Army in the that time killed civilians in Belgium. :-\

https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-atrocities-german-1914



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 30, 2017, 09:46:06 AM
Speech of Earl David Lloyd George in September 1914

"The Case of Serbia.

But Belgium is not the only little nation that has been attacked in this war and I make no excuse for
referring to the case of the other little nation, the case of Serbia.

(Hear,hear.)

The history of Serbia is not unblotted.
Whose history, in the category of nations isunblotted ?
(Hear,hear.)

The first" nation that is without sin, let her cast a stone at Serbia. She was a nation trained in a horrible school, but she won her freedom with a tenacious valour, and she has maintained it by the same
courage.

(Applause.)

If any Serbians were mixed up in the assassination of the Grand Duke, they ought to be punished.

(Hear,hear.)

Serbia admits that. The Serbian Government had nothing to do with it. Not even Austria claims that.
The Serbian Prime Minister is one of the most capable and honored men in Europe.

(Hear,hear.)

Serbia was willing to punish any one of her subjects who had been proved to have any complicity in that
assassination. What more could you expert'. What were the Austrian demands ? Serbia sympathised
with her fellow-countrymen in Bosnia— that was one of her crimes. She must do so no more. Her
newspapers were saying nasty tings about Austria: they must do so no longer. Serbian newspapers
must not criticize Austria. I wonder what would have happened if we had taken the same line about
German newspapers.

(Hear, hear.)
Serbia said: "Very well, we will give orders to the newspapers that they must in future criticize neither
Austria, nor Hungary nor anything that istheirs."

(Laughter.)

Who can doubt the valour of Serbia, when she undertook to tackle her newspaper editors ?
(Laughter and applause.)

She promised not to sympathise with Bosnia; she promised to write no critical articles about Austria:
she would have no public meetings in which anything unkind was said about Austria.
"Serbia Faced the Situation with Dignity."

But that was not enough.She must dismiss from her Army the officers whom Austria should subsequently
name. Those officers had just emerged from a war where they had added lustre to the Serbian arms;
they were gallant, brave and efficient.

(Hear,hear.)

I wonder whether it was their guilt or their efficiency that prompted Austria's action ! But, mark you,
the officers were not named: Serbia was to undertake in advance to dismiss them from the Army, the
names to be sent in subsequently.
Can you name a country in the world that would have stood that ?

(Cries of "No.'')

Supposing Austria or Germany had issued an ultimatum of that kind to this country, saying " You must
dismiss from your Army— and from your Navy —
(Laughter)—all those officers whom we shall subsequently name." Well, I think I could name them now.
(Laughter)

Lord Kitchener

(Loud applause)— would go. Sir John French — (Applause) — would be sent away ; Gen. Smith-Dorrien

(Applause) —would go, and I am sure that Sir John Jellicoe—(Applause)—would have to go. And there is
another gallant old warrior who would go—Lord Roberts.

(Applause.)

It was a difficult situation for a small country. Here was a demand made upon her by a great military
power that could have put half-a-dozen men in the held for every one of Serbia's men, and that Power
was supported by the greatest military Power in the world.
How did Serbia behave ?
It is not what happens to you in life that matters. It 1- the way in which you face it—

{Hear, hear)

-and Serbia faced the situation with dignity.She said to Austria : "If any officers of mine have been guilty.
And are proved to be guilty, I will dismiss them." Austria said: " That is not good enough for me." It was
not guilt she was after, but capacity.
(Hear, hear.)

Russia's Turn.

Then came Russia's turn. Russia has a special regard for Serbia ; she has a special interest in Serbia.
Russians have shed their blood for Serbian independence many a time, for Serbia is a member of
Russia's family, and she cannot see Serbia maltreated.
Austria knew that. Germany knew it, and she turned round to Russia, and said :" I insist that you shall stand by with your arms folded whilst Austria is strangling your little brother to death.'

What answer did the Russian Slav give ? He gave the only answer that becomes a man.

(Hear,hear.)

He turned to Austria, and said:"So lay hands on that little fellow, and I wall tear your ramshackle Empire
—(Loud applause and laughter)—limb from limb."

And he is doing it !"
(Loud applause.)

https://ia802708.us.archive.org/25/items/greatwarspeechde00lloyuoft/greatwarspeechde00lloyuoft.pdf#page=12&zoom=auto,-145,362



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 24, 2017, 04:20:23 PM










Good scene. Austro-Hungarian emperor Franz Josef I is not happy when signed declaration of war against Serbia.
He taught and his lickspittles in Wien that will be easy speedy war only against Serbia but Habsburg started WW1.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Feb 13, 2018, 06:14:39 AM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Aug 04, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Declarations of war I

7/28 1914: Austro-Hungary   Serbia

8/1   1914: Germany               Russia
8/3   1914  Germany               France
8/4   1914  Great Britain         Germany
8/4   1914  Germany               Belgium

But former  ;) CIA agent John DEUTCH ( German ) is ignorant or lie "...Black Hand' organization. Headed by the Serbian intelligence chief, Colonel 'Apis,' it engineered the assassination of Austria's Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914, setting off the First World War."

"Black hand" is helped and armed "Bosnia Youth" ( Gavrilo Princip and others ) to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand who came in Bosnia to look maneuvers of Austro-Hungarian Army that were at the border with Serbia.


https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2018&mm=02&dd=13&nav_id=103473



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 28, 2018, 06:49:06 AM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Nov 24, 2017, 04:20:23 PM










Good scene. Austro-Hungarian emperor Franz Josef I is not happy when signed declaration of war against Serbia.
He taught and his lickspittles in Wien that will be easy speedy war only against Serbia but Habsburg started WW1.



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(https://s8.postimg.cc/7qhizz0rp/telegramobjaverata_Srbiji.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Telegraph from Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Josef Habsburg in which declaring war on Serbia and
start WW1.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 28, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jul 28, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
1918: Serbian flag on White House














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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 06, 2018, 06:48:26 PM
On this day 1914 Serbian Army in "Srem offensive" .  :'(

https://sr-rs.facebook.com/Meet.the.Serbs/photos/on-this-day-6-september-1914-at-the-request-of-the-allies-after-the-serbian-vict/10151422064969968/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 17, 2018, 06:24:55 AM
Serbia before Great war.
I recommend this clip to the forum visitors, because in a few minutes, a man has told Serbian history in which I have nothing to add.











It's the Special Edition of the Great War because he realized that WW1 did not start on 6/28 1914 than there are causes. Perhaps the Great War could have been avoided, but the Austro-Hungarian attack on Serbia can not be avoided.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: EvadingGrid on Oct 18, 2018, 04:44:43 AM
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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
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Quote from: EvadingGrid on Oct 18, 2018, 04:44:43 AM
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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 02, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
100 years ago, without resistance, the Serbian Army entered the capital of Serbia - Belgrade.

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Serbian Crown Prince Aleksandar Karadjordjevic in free Belgrade 1918.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 04, 2018, 07:18:28 AM
Scandal in Church Notre Dame : flag of "Republic of Kosovo" with flags of counties who participates in victory in WW1  :o :o

(https://i.postimg.cc/4NzqJtTW/ZASTAVA-KOSOVA-NOTR-DAM.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Le drapeau du #Kosovo flotte pour la première fois dans Notre-Dame de Paris — dans le cadre des commémorations du Centenaire de la fin de la Première Guerre mondiale. pic.twitter.com/F2Ug7bo2QA
— Qëndrim R. Gashi (@qendrimrgashi) November 2, 2018



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 07, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Nov 04, 2018, 07:18:28 AM
Scandal in Church Notre Dame : flag of "Republic of Kosovo" with flags of counties who participates in victory in WW1  :o :o

(https://i.postimg.cc/4NzqJtTW/ZASTAVA-KOSOVA-NOTR-DAM.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Le drapeau du #Kosovo flotte pour la première fois dans Notre-Dame de Paris — dans le cadre des commémorations du Centenaire de la fin de la Première Guerre mondiale. pic.twitter.com/F2Ug7bo2QA
— Qëndrim R. Gashi (@qendrimrgashi) November 2, 2018



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Serbia won't react to WW1 ceremony scandal in France - FM

Serbia will not lodge a protest with France over the displaying of the flag of Kosovo at the Notre-Dame cathedral, said Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic.

Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug Tuesday, November 6, 2018 | 09:55


Dacic explained the absence of any official reaction of Belgrade by the announced visit to Serbia by the French president.

"Bearing in mind the upcoming visit by Emmanuel Macron, the first visit of a French president to Serbia after 18 years, it is my opinion is that this should be left for discussion," Dacic told Belgrade-based daily Politika.

The head of Serbian diplomacy rated the showing of the Kosovo flag at the Notre-Dame as "generally a big scandal because there is no military parade where the defeated participate as well."

"We cannot stop this, but we can have better relations with Paris, that's why the upcoming visit by Emmanuel Macron is extremely important," Dacic said, adding that he does not know "how (Kosovo President Hashim) Thaci accepted the invitation to participate (in the ceremony in France marking the allied victory 100 years ago in WW1) - which is a day of mourning for him."

The flag of Kosovo found itself at the church in Paris among the symbols of 86 states and 11 international organizations.

Speaking for TV Prva earlier on Monday, Dacic said:
"We cannot stop it. They put the flags of other defeated sides there as well. I generally think that this is a scandal because there are no parades to celebrate victories where the defeated are present too. I do not know how Thaci accepted it because it's a day of mourning (for them). They lost, were on the wrong side (in WW1). They will fight against them again."

Kosovo is Serbia's southern province where ethnic Albanians in 2008 unilaterally declared independence - recognized by France and other leading Western powers, but rejected by Serbia as a violation of its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

List of invitees

The management of the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris said on Monday that the flag of Kosovo was displayed in front of it based on a list of those invited to next Sunday's commemoration to mark the end of World War 1, Beta said, citing AFP.
An unnamed Notre-Dame spokesperson said the decision was taken based on a list of officials invited by the French government.

"Notre-Dame takes no stand and is not involved in diplomacy," the spokesperson said.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=11&dd=06&nav_id=105453



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 11, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Exodus of Serbian Army and civilians from Serbia.











All Serbs will die in Albania if not was ultimatum of Russian Czar Nikolai II Romanov to Allies in January 1916. "If France, Italy and France do not evacuate Serbian Army ans Serbian refugees from Albania, Russia will make separate peace with Central Powers."
How did one historian miss it?  :-[

https://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/139492/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 21, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Serbian ( Chetnik" ) Uprising against Bulagarina occupation in southeast Serbia in 1917.













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 14, 2019, 02:10:53 PM
Caricature of Capitulation of Montenegro in January 1916. Coward King Nikola Petrovic leave the country and never go back.

(https://i.postimg.cc/66PWNrz4/Caricature-on-Montenegro-leaving-the-Entente.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 21, 2019, 05:05:11 PM
On the present day in 1916, from exile in Italy, the king of Montenegro, Nikola Petrovic, ordered the dissolution of the Montenegrin army, that is, the capitulation to Austro-Hungarian, German, Turkish, Bulgarian ...

Serbia refused capitulation, and the Army in Albania waited for an allied evacuation.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 22, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
On this day 1876 in Nether Poppleton, Yorkshire was born Flora Sandes. British military nurse was born and later a officer of the Serbian Army.

Flora Sandes was the only British woman to officially fight on the front line in World War One.

(https://i.postimg.cc/N0QGB9BN/Flora-Sends.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Flora-Sandes/



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Title: Re: Great War
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 08, 2019, 05:21:07 PM
Number of victims in WW1  :(













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: EvadingGrid on Sep 09, 2019, 11:23:57 AM
Lions lead by Donkeys

The popular view is that the Generals of The Great War sent the soldiers to their deaths while drinking champagne miles from the Front Line. This is simply not true.

78 British and Dominion officers of the rank of Brigadier General and above died on active service in the First World War while a further 146 were wounded.

The numbers are similar for the Germans and other countries.



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 09, 2019, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: EvadingGrid on Sep 09, 2019, 11:23:57 AM
Lions lead by Donkeys

The popular view is that the Generals of The Great War sent the soldiers to their deaths while drinking champagne miles from the Front Line. This is simply not true.

78 British and Dominion officers of the rank of Brigadier General and above died on active service in the First World War while a further 146 were wounded.

The numbers are similar for the Germans and other countries.



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I did not know that. I do not know how many high rank Serbian officers died or wounded in the combat.  :-[ But I will find out.

I now that British Royal Dynasty change the name during WW1 but I do not know any go to front line ?
I am asking that because Russian Czar Nikolay II Romanov go the front line and command the troops from 1916.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-tsar-nicholas-ii-of-russia-at-the-front-line-in-world-war-one-1916-76392476.html

Old Serbian King Petar I and his sons former Crown Prince Djordje and Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjevic were almost always on the front line
and be with Serbian Army and Serbian Refugees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/d0yWs3tJ/334-Kralj-Petar-Iprelazi-Albaniju.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
King Petar the First lead the Serbian retreat in Albania in 1916



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Title: Re: Great War
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 13, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
The Largest Battle in WW1: Battle on Somme 1916

The fighting at the Somme cost the British approximately 420,000 casualties ( under command Field Marshal Haig ) , while the French incurred 200,000. German losses numbered around 500,000 ( 650 000 ? ) for only 7 miles advance.

https://www.thoughtco.com/battle-of-the-somme-2361413



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 15, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
9/15/1918 Dobro Polje ( today Republic of North Macedonia )













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 16, 2019, 05:00:08 PM
More Serbian heroines













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 01, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
THE FIRST FIGHTING AIRCRAFT IN HISTORY BRING DOWN BY SERBIAN SOLDIER BEFORE 104 YEARS

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This was done above Kragujevac by Serbian soldier Radoje Ljutovac.

The date that Ljutovac knocked down the German / Austro-Hungarian plane - September 30, was taken for glory by the Anti-Aircraft Artillery of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia ( Tito's Communists took another date), and today it is celebrated as the Day of the Air Force Artillery and Missile For Air Forces of the Serbian Armed Forces.

During the First World War, Serbian artilleryman Radoje "Raka" Ljutovac entered the history of aviation as the first man to fire a plane when he fired from a field cannon from Metino brdo near Kragujevac. His feat is all the more significant if one considers the fact that Serbia did not have organized anti-aircraft artillery at that time, and the appearance of German aircraft forced the Serbian Army to improvise its defense.

That is why masters in the Kragujevac Military Factory trophy field cannons captured in the Balkan wars (1912-1913) mounted on round wooden platforms and placed them on a nearby hill to defend the city.
The bombs thrown from the aircraft caused extensive damage and killed many people, and then on September 30, a soldier from the First Platoon, Radivoje Ljutovac, sighted three planes circling above the city. He aimed, fired and became famous.

Radivoje later recounted the event to his great-grandson Zvonimir Ljutovac:
"My hand trembled so I shouldn't miss. I put a tip on the balls. I made a cross and aimed through the tube, leading the cannon as the plane flies, overflowing from, perhaps, two fields of plane length. Then I fired - that's it "said Raka.

Raka's shot brought real turmoil among the remaining enemy planes, which were left unmanaged and, surprised by the fire from the ground, disappeared from the sky above Kragujevac.

There was great joy in Serbian positions. The plane fell into the city center, not far from the house where the Supreme Command headquarters and Crown Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic were located, and a bomb had previously fallen in front of it.

R. As a reward, Ljutovac received a horse from the commander and galloped to the crash site of the Austro-Hungarian plane. The assembled people had already met him there.
When he arrived, he got off his horse and saluted the missing German pilots. These were Captain-Scout Kurt von Schaeffer and Officer Candidate Otto Kirsch.

The unbelievability of his feat is also evidenced by the fact that French officers did not immediately believe that the plane had been hit from the first platoon. However, the wreck was transferred to the Military Technical Institute. Engineers examined it and found a scrap in the crankshaft, which was evidence that the plane had been hit.

Ljutovac later, as a soldier, reached the Thessaloniki Front, where he was promoted to Sergeant, and for his merits in the Great War he was awarded the Karadjordje Star with Swords, the Albanian Memorial Medal and the War Memorial for Liberation and Unification 1914-1918. years.

The Ljutovac family donated decorations to the Krusevac National Museum along with some other personal Raka's items.

Kragujevac, which was the center of the military industry, attacked squadrons of the then Austro-Hungarian armies on 19 occasions in 1915.

When he removed his uniform, the world's first anti-aircraft operator, Radoje Ljutovac, opened a shop in Trstenik and spent the rest of his life modestly. He died at the age of 81, on November 25, 1968.



http://www.srna.rs/novosti/725803/prvi-avion-u-istoriji-oborio-srpski-vojnik-prije-104-godine.htm



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Oct 02, 2019, 01:53:05 PM
BULARIAN OCCUPATION OF SERBIA AND WAR CRIMES 1916-1918

In his new book about the Balkans during World War One, historian Milovan Pisarri explores the crimes committed against Serbian civilians by Bulgarian military occupiers.
Milovan Pisarri's new book 'On the Balkan Front: War and Crimes against the Civilian Population in Serbia 1914-1918', looks at civilian deaths in Serbia under Bulgarian occupation during World War I, which he argues is a neglected topic by both Serbian and European historians.

"When it comes to WWI in Serbia and Europe, historians mostly dealt with military, political and diplomatic history - battles, causes of the war and political agreements," Pisarri explained in an interview with BIRN.

"The only picture we in Europe had about WWI is the one of soldiers in trenches," he added.

The first studies focusing on civilian deaths appeared in the 1990s, he said, when it was realised that "civilians were the target of specific policies, not just collateral damage".

The central topic of Pisarri's book, which he developed out of his PhD thesis and which was originally published in Italian, is crimes against Serbian civilians in the part of the Kingdom of Serbia that was occupied by Bulgaria in 1915. The book will be issued in a Serbian translation this autumn.

But he also devotes parts of the book to other major events of the Great War, such as the typhus outbreak which killed some 70,000 civilians, the Serbian army's retreat through Albania as well as international peace conferences and the issue of refugees, the 1912-13 Balkan wars and civilian casualties on all sides.

Pisarri argues that the First Balkan War – which saw the demise of Ottoman Turkish power in the Balkan states – led to violence, looting and massacres against Muslims by Bulgarian, Serbian and Greek troops and guerrillas across the region.

The Second Balkan War, which saw the conflict between Serbians and Greeks on the one side and Bulgarians on the other, saw atrocities committed by all sides.

But the book focuses on crimes committed in the parts of the Kingdom of Serbia that were under the occupation of Bulgaria, which was one of the Central Powers during WWI, alongside Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire. At roughly the same time, extensive crimes against civilians were also being committed in parts of Serbia that were under Austro-Hungarian occupation.

During the war, Bulgaria held the eastern and southern parts of Serbia, two-thirds of Kosovo and part of Macedonia.

Pisarri argues that Bulgaria had one major aim – the permanent annexation of these territories and the Bulgarisation of the domestic population.

"Bulgarian politics in eastern and southern Serbia and Macedonia is a very well organised one. We talk about Bulgarisation, which permeates all segments of society: administration, army, church and education," he said.

So when the Bulgarian army entered Serbia in 1915, he said, one of the first steps was the liquidation of the Serbian intelligentsia, which included teachers, merchants and priests, or "everyone who Bulgarians perceived as guardians of the Serbian national spirit".

"In some of the documents I used in the book, it is sometimes stated they [the Serbian intelligentsia] should be killed at once, while sometimes there were orders they should be deported and put into concentration camps instead," Pisarri said.

At the same time, Bulgarian institutions were introduced in the occupied territories.

"When Serbian teachers were liquidated, they brought in teachers from Bulgaria, introduced Bulgarian and banned Serbian, and changed people's surnames. The same was happening with the church: they brought in Bulgarian priests and introduced a new calendar, respected by the Bulgarian Orthodox Church," he explained.

One of the most interesting documents Pisarri found relates to Serbian women, who were listed as second most dangerous enemies, after priests, who needed to be kept under be strict control.

The paper dated to May 1918, "when it was already clear Bulgarians were about to lose the war and when their population was starving, they were still dealing with the assimilation of Serbs".

"When I first came across the paper, I was confused – why women?" Pisarri asked.

"The reason lies in their pedagogical functions, as by singing Serbian songs and lullabies to children, they are guardians of the Serbian national spirit," he said.


Serbian refugees waiting for food, circa 1915-1916. Photo: Wikimedia Commons/Paul Jeftich/Photographer unknown.

Armoured trains and concentration camps

During and after WWI, several national and international commissions were established with the aim of documenting crimes and identifying the perpetrators ahead of the Paris peace conference in 1919, at which the victorious Allied Powers met to set terms for the defeated Central Powers.

One of those was Inter-Allied Commission, made up of both national and international experts, which was set up by the Serbian government in November 1918 in the Macedonian city of Skopje. One of the prominent experts involved was Swiss criminologist Archibald Reiss.

"They collected and analysed a large number of documents, including the ones issued by Bulgarians, and had victims' testimonies as well as photos. That's how we learned about the camps," Pisarri said.

"We often connect train deportations to WWII, but that was also happening in WWI – armoured trains carrying unknown number of people, a lot of them dead as they were travelling with no food and water and in awful conditions, including women and children," he added.

The first camps in Bulgaria were set up in the end of 1915 and in the beginning of 1916. However, most of them were established after the Toplica Uprising, in which Serbian guerrilla forces clashed with the Bulgarian occupiers from February to March 1917.

As the uprising was successfully suppressed, several thousand Serbian civilians were brutally executed, while even more were transferred to camps in Bulgaria – sometimes even forced to walk there on foot, Pisarri said.

"I managed to reconstruct the events and made a small map of 18 camps on Bulgarian territory. I remember from the testimonies that the camp Sliven [in the eastern part of the country] was among the most horrible ones, where several thousand captives lived in barracks, without roof or bed, often without water, and were submitted to forced labour," Pisarri said.

However, there is still no exact figure for the number of people sent to camps during the occupation, although some estimates go up to 100,000.

Apart from deportations, there were numerous reports of rapes, torture and mass graves.

One of the places hit particularly hard was a small town of Surdulica near Nis in southern Serbia, where there was a killing site, said Pisarri.

"Columns of captured people passed through Surdulica on the way to Bulgaria and there are testimonies describing how Bulgarians would execute the entire group of people or parts of it. [Swiss criminologist] Reiss was on the spot when the mass graves were being exhumed," he said.

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The question of responsibility

Even though crimes against civilians were taking place from the very onset of WWI, international law at the time was not adequately equipped to cope with what was happening, Pisarri explained. The Hague peace conferences of 1899 and 1907 did bring about a codification of the customs and laws of war, but they only vaguely applied to civilians.

That is why, after the end of the war, an international commission was constituted at the Paris Peace Conference, with the aim of defining the crimes and punishing the responsible ones. The Commission on the Responsibility of the Authors of the War and on Enforcement of Penalties codified 32 classes of crimes against the laws of war and humanity, such as massacres, rapes, deportations, internments, tortures, deliberated starvation, forced labour and systematic terrorism.

"When we take the list and check where the crimes were taking place, we will see Serbia as a victim and Bulgaria as a perpetrator a lot," said Pisarri.

Out of the 32 codified crimes, the Bulgarian army committed 18 of them against the Serbian civilian population, he argued.

Despite the initial willingness to prosecute the perpetrators, only a small number of killers were convicted and given symbolic sentences by their respective countries.

"Serbia made a list of all the perpetrators, including the names of 500 Bulgarians. Bulgaria prosecuted only three of them, one of whom died by the time the court process started," he said.

Ever since the Paris peace talks and the reports by the various national and international committees, the Bulgarian government has denied the accusations. As the years have passed, the crimes have largely been forgotten.


https://balkaninsight.com/2019/04/12/serbia-under-bulgarian-occupation-documenting-wwi-crimes/



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 07, 2019, 05:25:37 PM
Serbs not welcome on Anzach March  >:(



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Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 08, 2019, 03:44:32 PM
Austro - Hungarian Army occupied capital of Serbia - Belgrade. There are celebration in Wien but...













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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Dec 06, 2019, 02:10:45 PM
On December 5, 1918, exactly one hundred and one years ago, the Serbian Army entered Zagreb because the city authorities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which had been in disintegration, left the city.

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The citizens of Zagreb ( today capital of Republic of Croatia ) welcomed the Serbs with banners and professions:
Live freedom!
Long live Yugoslavia!
Long live King Aleksandar!


Just two weeks before that, on November 20, welcoming the liberation Serbian army at a port in the Croatian city of Split, the most respected Croatian politician,  Josip Smodlaka said to the assembled enthusiastic people:

"Brethren to our beloved heart, the dead Serbian knights! Welcome our invincible hawks! Welcome our liberators, proud of our flowers, most beautiful, dearest!
Blessed was the hour we saw you! Bless you every rate!
Blessed mothers who give birth to you! Blessed cradle that has blown you away! Blessed are your desolate homes, which in the black depend on us to be able to shed this golden sun of freedom, which now shines on us.
How long we have been after this time...! Together with you, we call on the one who prepared you for the victories, your supreme leader, grandson of the Grand Leader of Karadjordje, your Кing and ours.

Long live King Peter!

Long live the Serbian army! "
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Dec 09, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Al Bundy on Jul 29, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
  Serbian Regent Aleksandar Karadjordjević, 7/29/1914 Nis, Serbia

    "To my heroic and dear Serbs!
      There is a lot of evil will come on our Serbia. Austria-Hungary has declared war on us. Now, we all have to be united and heroes.
The troubles of our kingdom and our people with Austria have not started since yesterday *.
Wherever Vienna needed, the greatest promises were made that it would be right to act with the Serbs and Croats  **, and yet it remained unfulfilled. Serbian and Croatian border guards, and so many of our heroes, gave blood all over Europe for the glory and honor of the Imperial Palace in Vienna .... Serbia always did everything in its power to live in a friendship with the neighboring Еmpire - it's all nothing helped....

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Serbia sincerely regretted this fatal event, convicted that it would hand over to the court of every participant *** but quickly saw with astonishment that the Austrians .... throwing their headache to their own mismanagement or to some of the culprits of the act rather than the Kingdom of Serbia. No matter what the murder is only one man, their subject, with the help of several comrades, and in their country, in the eyes of their authorities, Austria forbade our...officers, the Serbian government, and ultimately the entire Kingdom of Serbia and all the Serbs wherever they are. So the accusation of an independent state for guilty others is unique in the history of Europe, where such crimes are, unfortunately, not rare ....

Although a hard heart is aware of all the difficulties and hazards, just at the time when the Serbian warriors were preparing to gather the fruits of their efforts **** I am forced to invite all my dear and brave Serbs under the Serbian tricolor with the conviction that they will, and on this occasion, Show that past ... In our glorious past, the elderly and the newer, there are many testimonies that a Serb, when he is united, can win a much bigger opponent. Let's testify once again that a Serb can sacrifice for his homeland and ... by sacrificing (like the Medieval knight Obilic ) in front of many ardent enemies.
     Serbs defend your homes and the Serbian tribe with all your might.

                                                                                      ( signatures of all members of the Serbian government)

Source: Silvia Djuric "Dnevnik pobede", (p.20), Belgrade, 1988.

* Great Powers in Berlin 1878, allowed Austro-Hungary to occupy Bosnia and Herzegovina to restore law and order.
"Pig war" 1906-1908 ( Austro-Hungarian sanctions against Serbia ).
In 1908 Emperor Francis Joseph I unilaterally declared Bosnia and Herzegovina as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and provoked a crisis that came to the brink of war with Serbia and Russia ("The Annexion Crisis"),   
1912/1913 Serbia withdrew from the exit to the Ionian Sea after Austria-Hungary was threatened with war etc.

**It is already here (between lines) in the first war proclamation of Regent Alexander that the war goal of Serbia is not only defense but the liberation of Serbs and Croats in Austria-Hungary and the creation of a new state of Yugoslavia !
*** murders in Sarajevo in June, 28
**** Brilliant victories of Serbian soldiers in both Balkan wars ( Turks, Albanians and Bulgarians ).

12/7 1914. On propositon of Serbian PM ,FM  and President of Radical Party Nikola Pasic the Serbian Parliament adopted the Niš Declaration (7 December 1914) on the war goals of Serbia: "Convinced that the entire Serbian nation is determined to persevere in the holy struggle for the defense of their homesteads and their freedom, the government of the Kingdom (of Serbia) considers that, in these fateful times, its main and only task is to ensure the successful completion of this great warfare which, at the moment when it started, also became a struggle for the liberation and unification of all our unliberated Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian brothers. The great success which is to crown this warfare will make up for the extremely bloody sacrifices which this generation of Serbs is making". This amounted to announcing Serbia's intention to annex extensive amounts of Austria-Hungary's Balkan provinces.

P.S. On Wikipedia about Nis Declaration there source which is fake - John R. Lampe (28 March 2000). Yugoslavia as History: Twice There Was a Country. Cambridge University Press. p. 103. ISBN 978-0-521-77401-7. He wrote that "Neither did any recognition of a separate Macedonian "tribe"; they were still regarded as an "unformed element," like the Bosnian Muslims, that could be easily assimilated as Serbs."

P.P.S. Why Macedonians did not recognized as nation by Yugoslav Government i do not know. What is "unformed element" ?
First was the Serbs was on their mind are to come home to their family after 2 years of fighting and suffering. Serbs are not in their mind to "assimilate anyone".
Muslims. The Muslims are not live only in Bosnia. They live in Monte Negro, Serbia, Herzegovina...
"Bosnian Muslims" are not ethnic community. They are Serbs who were on different ways convert to Islam during long Turkish occupation of these
regions. By the way, some "Bosnian Muslims" better speak Serbian language then Serbs on southeast Serbia. Example is movie director Emir Kusturica who found his Serbian routs. Muslims in Kingdom of Yugoslavia had their own Political Party - Yugoslav Muslim Organization ( JMO ) and their was MP and even ministers. In Kingdom of Yugoslavia there is no converting any Religion groups in Christian Orthodox Church...never by force. Even Germans lived in Serbia in peace ( Volk Deutchers ). 

Critics said about book of J. Lampe that "He brings to this history a decidedly American perspective."
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Dec 10, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
Soldier's Honor: No Serbian war flags were captured in the Balkan Wars and the Great War
From IN4S -13/12/2015 2

When the Central Powers occupied Serbia in 1915, German Emperor Wilhelm II, during World War I, asked his General August von Mackenzen to bring him at least one seized Serbian war flag (as a symbol of victory over Serbs), but received an answer that startled him.
The general replied that he did not own any.

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Of the 51st regimental flag that the Serbian army owned during the Balkans and World War I, none fell into enemy hands, which was a precedent in the history of modern warfare.

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Military flags to the 51st Regiment of the Serbian Army at Belgrade were ceremoniously handed over to King Peter the First Karadjordjevic on June 26 and November 30, 1911.

The three disappeared in battles when, probably in an effort not to fall into the enemy's hands, the flags destroyed them. The fourth, the flag of the famous Iron Regiment, that is, the Second Infantry Regiment "Prince Mihailo Obrenovic" of the first call of the Moravian Division was the funeral cover at the funeral of King Peter the First Karadjordjevic and was buried with him, but there is no evidence for this.


https://www.in4s.net/vojnicka-cast-nijedna-srpska-ratna-zastava-nije-zarobljena/
Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 30, 2020, 05:19:53 PM

Just as during those previous conflicts, former Seрbian Crown Prince George Karadjordjevic - though with major epaulets on his uniform - did not enjoy too much trust either from King Peter the First or other officers. He would also make friends during that first war year with his former teacher, "Alas" (the genius of mathematics), who had been assigned to him as an adjutant, but the generals and senior officers did not want him to be assigned.

Yet, George will again show great courage. There is a famous photograph where, during the battle of Cer, one can see King Peter I in the distance, staring into the distance, according to Austrian positions. For such things the people loved their wise and courageous king, after all; but, an almost identical photograph was taken during World War I, as if in a mirror, except that its main character and culprit is George.


At the beginning of the war he was in the vicinity of Nis, and shortly afterwards he found himself on the Drina River, where a crucial battle was being fought to defend the homeland. In early September, he fight on Mackov kamen near Jagodnja.

War correspondent of the Paris "Journal", Henry Barby, described the event of that September 21, 1914:
"Arriving at dawn from Valjevo, Prince George toured the front of the battle on horseback, drawn by the fierceness of the battle on and around C. Suddenly, from the hill from which he observed and where he stopped, he saw the Serbian lines bending. The Austro-Hungarian army had already reached almost the height of the artillery batteries. The situation seemed hopeless. During this time, the reserve battalion did not move, and was hidden in some stretch of the terrain. Prince George did not hesitate. Undertaking his horse, he dashed into a gallop and arrived in front of that battalion.

- What are you doing here? He shouted.

- We're in the reserve.

- The Krauts just don't get our guns, and you sit here with your arms crossed!

- We have no order.

- Where's your commander?

- He was killed!

- Follow me. I'll be your commander!

The soldiers were hesitant to go after an unknown major. To get them around, he pulled the saber out of its cover and shouted:
- Soldiers! I am Prince George, the son of your king! Follow me!


His battalion was drowned in the crucial assault of the Serbian Royal Army. The Mackov kamen was within reach. With the support of artillery, Austro-Hungarian soldiers leave the trenches and retreat towards the Drina. The battle was won


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the last hour, just before the triumph, one grain strikes and throws out of Prince George's saddle. Fortunately, the grain that had passed through the loin bypassed the spinal column, without damaging any vital organ. The soldiers brought the wounded prince on the crossbows from the battlefield. He was transported to a hospital by car. "

Source: Serbian pro-EU weekly newspaper "Nedeljnik"

https://vidovdan.org/istorija/vojnici-ja-sam-princ-djordje-sin-vaseg-kralja-za-mnom-mozda-su-govorili-da-je-lud-ali-niko-mu-nije-poricao-hrabrost/?script=lat



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jan 31, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1
Post by: Al Bundy on Jun 19, 2020, 06:46:59 PM
Interesting speech of Serbian Officer on Battle on Cer in August 1914













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Post by: Al Bundy on Sep 28, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
NationalArmyMuseumUK

Alexandra Tomic tells the remarkable story of volunteer female medical staff who travelled to Serbia in 1915 at the height of the worst typhus epidemic in history.











I did it learn in school. I learn of Tito`s partizans "victories" against Nazis...



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Title: Re: Balkans in WW1: Armistice Day Today
Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 11, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
NATO dictator of Montenegro M. Djukanovic sent his hooligans to Budva to gather Montenegrin flags and insignia in order to prevent Serbian Ambassador Vladimir Bozovic from laying a wreath on a memorial plaque to Serbian liberators in the Great War.

Bozovic did not lay a wreath to avoid incidents.
Milo's mercenaries sang the Montenegrin anthem, songs to Krsto Popovic, chanted "e viva Montenegro", "Montenegro will never be the coast of the Serbian sea".

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They called on the authorities to remove the plaque to the Serbian liberators.

The plaque above the main gate to the Old Town reads in 1931: "To commemorate the arrival of the brave victorious Serbian army that liberated Budva after heroic victories, the Municipality of Budva placed it on Mitrovdan on November 8, 1918."
Above that inscription are engraved the words of Metropolitan Petar Petrović Njegoš "Generations, deeds of the court ..."

The mayor of Budva, Marko Carević, during the laying of the wreath three days ago, said that they had gathered to once again pay tribute to the heroes who were inscribed in golden letters in the history of the Serbian people and the city of Budva.
He then greeted those gathered with "God help" and they replied "God helped you", which was condemned by the regime boys.



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Post by: Al Bundy on Nov 19, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
November 1914 Begin Battle on Kolubara > Last chance for General Oskar von Potiorek ( Slovenian origin ) to conquer Serbia

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Serbian Army in new position



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